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04-13-2013 , 09:42 AM
I'm rooting against the Jets for life due to them not playing Tebow at the end of last year....they had absolutely nothing to play for, and its clearly what all the fans wanted to see. I just wanted Tebow to throw for < 100 yards but win so we can carry on the "all he does is win games" meme this offseason.
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04-13-2013 , 10:40 AM
Its pretty rare nowadays for a team with picks in all 7 rounds to have all those players on their roster at the end of the season.

Back when it was 12 or 15 rounds, I imagine it was way worse.

You can see why teams value their draft picks so highly now compared to years past. A 7th rounder isn't a throwaway pick. Its an exclusive deal to sign someone, versus competing with 31 other teams in rookie free agency.
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04-13-2013 , 05:18 PM
From about pick 50 on down rookie deals start to avg under $1m/year. By the time you get to Rd 4 it's basically min salary with a bonus. Pretty easy to make an argument for abolishing at least another 4 rounds. Money isn't that big an issue as the cap is still the same either way.

Problem is some teams aren't as appealing to choice free agents... other things equal [offer, opportunity] I'd never choose to play for a team like the Bills or Bengals unless no one else called. My childhood favorite doesn't call, where can I find warm weather/better endorsement outlook/good management (etc). I'm sure plenty of FA rookies would feel the same and that favors some teams more than others.
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04-13-2013 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
I'm rooting against the Jets for life due to them not playing Tebow at the end of last year....they had absolutely nothing to play for, and its clearly what all the fans wanted to see. I just wanted Tebow to throw for < 100 yards but win so we can carry on the "all he does is win games" meme this offseason.
well, he didn't lose any games last season. good enough reason, imo, to carry on the meme.
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04-13-2013 , 06:35 PM
meh, as a jets fan i was more for mcelroy at the end of last season.
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04-14-2013 , 01:31 AM
Seahawks are cheating at this point I mean cmon now
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04-14-2013 , 02:31 AM
Sanchez is going to compete in camp with Tebow and Garrard. Sanchez will start. Lulz will commence. FO jobs will be lost.
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04-14-2013 , 02:50 AM
There is at least some chance that Garrard isn't totally washed up and plays well. He hasn't thrown a regular season pass in well over 2 years at this point so it's really unlikely, but 35 isn't dead for a QB. Against the likes of Tebow and Sanchez anyone who can still stand has to have a decent shot.

Some writer the other day described Jets as "a poor man's Jaguars." Damn.
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04-14-2013 , 03:03 AM
Can money be thrown in deals in the NFL? Don't think so but might as well throw it out there. A cheap owner that needs help reaching the salary cap floor could trade for Sanchez. No doubt he's a net negative at that price tag.
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04-14-2013 , 03:34 AM
I doubt Garrard will make the team. And lol Jets if Sanchez starts again. They obviously need to draft someone.
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04-14-2013 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Gonzirra
From about pick 50 on down rookie deals start to avg under $1m/year. By the time you get to Rd 4 it's basically min salary with a bonus. Pretty easy to make an argument for abolishing at least another 4 rounds. Money isn't that big an issue as the cap is still the same either way.

Problem is some teams aren't as appealing to choice free agents... other things equal [offer, opportunity] I'd never choose to play for a team like the Bills or Bengals unless no one else called. My childhood favorite doesn't call, where can I find warm weather/better endorsement outlook/good management (etc). I'm sure plenty of FA rookies would feel the same and that favors some teams more than others.
I mostly agree but it might be better to move to a team where you can become a starter and ignoring all the other stuff. I mean undrafted FA don't usually have to worry about advertising benefits and the like. Weather/coolness of the place etc. are fair points but for an undrafted free agent low cost+potential to establish himself are probably more important.
(coaching staff, veterans and other stuff that can help you develop quicker should also be a concern)
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04-14-2013 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
I doubt Garrard will make the team. And lol Jets if Sanchez starts again. They obviously need to draft someone.
I would be beyond shocked if Garrard didn't make the roster, let alone start. What kind of QB with starting experience would fail to beat out one of Sanchez/McElroy/Tebow?
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04-14-2013 , 11:17 AM
Wasn't Garrard suppose to be the starter last year in Miami before he got hurt?
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04-14-2013 , 12:59 PM
Garrard is already signed. Sanchez has a contract with the Jets, and there is garbage behind him, so he's likely staying. Sanchez will start by default. The worst case scenario for the Jets is that Sanchez performs mediocre, but just well enough to justify his starting spot and contract under Mornhinweg and they don't bother to go after any QB in '14.

Last edited by Salva135; 04-14-2013 at 01:06 PM.
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04-14-2013 , 01:07 PM
Garrard will make a good backup or veteran stopgap type player. The Jets have too much monetary and emotional capital in Sanchez to sit him come Week 1. I have no idea, looking back at Sanchez's stats, why the Jets would dare extend him though in 2012. He looks awful on paper (Only one season with less than 20 INT+Fumbles)
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04-14-2013 , 01:15 PM
If I'm the Jets owner I cut Sanchez immediately and take as big a cap hit as possible this year when they are going to suck anyways rather than spreading the dead money into future years. If it's absolutely necessary a post June 1 cut is fine but no way do I keep writing checks to that turd.

I'd seriously rather have Blaine Gabbert on the roster than Sanchez.
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04-14-2013 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Thamel18
Garrard will make a good backup or veteran stopgap type player. The Jets have too much monetary and emotional capital in Sanchez to sit him come Week 1. I have no idea, looking back at Sanchez's stats, why the Jets would dare extend him though in 2012. He looks awful on paper (Only one season with less than 20 INT+Fumbles)
Tanny made a huge mistake. He gambled on the Chize and lost. He was ultimately fired and admitted his mistake on air. He doesn't even work in the business now, that's how bad he was. Sanchez has such a cap hit if traded or cut, you have to give Sanchez another year for financial reasons. Let him throw 20+ INTs en route to painful Jet losses. Just accept it as part of a bigger plan.
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04-14-2013 , 01:17 PM
Let's not start saying things we can't take back, lol Gabbert
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04-14-2013 , 01:19 PM
I've never said a good thing about Gabbert as a player but at least he's younger and cheaper than Sanchez. Of course the obvious reason to prefer Gabbert on the roster over Sanchez is he's cheaper to cut.
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04-14-2013 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Thamel18
Garrard will make a good backup or veteran stopgap type player. The Jets have too much monetary and emotional capital in Sanchez to sit him come Week 1. I have no idea, looking back at Sanchez's stats, why the Jets would dare extend him though in 2012. He looks awful on paper (Only one season with less than 20 INT+Fumbles)
This is a sunk cost. This shouldn't matter at all. They clearly made a grave mistake, someone anyone could have told you when they traded up to get the guy and was only multiplied by the extension. Yes the Jets made B2B AFC title games with Sanchez but that had a ton to do with luck and the amazing Jets D.
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04-14-2013 , 03:11 PM
It's nice that there is finally a perfect example to destroy the QB = wins/losses dogma. This is the only victory Sanchez has given me
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04-14-2013 , 03:19 PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

I'm shocked at how good Mark's playoff #s are though. Like 4-2, 9 tds, 3 ints, 60% completion % and 1155 yards in 6 games is pretty good (7.6 A/YA).
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04-14-2013 , 03:21 PM
sample size ldo. td and int rates are ridiculously high variance.
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04-14-2013 , 03:25 PM
I know sample size, and I know it was 3 seasons ago but in comparison to what I was expecting from Mark those are outstanding #s for a guy that is much maligned. Obviously, if you got that type of performance every week or better from Mark, nobody would be complaining.
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04-14-2013 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Gonzirra
From about pick 50 on down rookie deals start to avg under $1m/year. By the time you get to Rd 4 it's basically min salary with a bonus. Pretty easy to make an argument for abolishing at least another 4 rounds. Money isn't that big an issue as the cap is still the same either way.

Problem is some teams aren't as appealing to choice free agents... other things equal [offer, opportunity] I'd never choose to play for a team like the Bills or Bengals unless no one else called. My childhood favorite doesn't call, where can I find warm weather/better endorsement outlook/good management (etc). I'm sure plenty of FA rookies would feel the same and that favors some teams more than others.
Not knowing college football at all, and so not knowing how much this happens already (esp given the relative lack of media coverage on the later rounds of the draft), I'm curious to see how much various teams try to swing for the fences in the final rounds of the draft. If they've got a hole to fill, why not use all of your last 3-4 picks on that position and see if one works out, those that don't, who cares, it's just a 5th/6th etc. If they don't, just draft a load of quarterbacks that might have upside in the future (Brady being the obvious idea, Packers got value with Flynn in a slightly less spectacular example) or other high value positions, or even more speculative stuff like sorting by speed a la Oakland except in a less ******ed fashion. Don't really see the value in taking, say, a centre in the 6th, if his upside is a league average centre then I don't see the point
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