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03-01-2017 , 04:31 PM
Kap to the Jets seems too perfect
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03-01-2017 , 05:07 PM
I think Hightower is just gone. He isn't being tagged and I don't see the McCourty situation happening again because teams are too flush with cash. Someone will pay him far more than NE is willing to.

BB historically been much better at finding LB's than DB's so letting him go and paying Butler makes sense. Especially since you can get Butler slightly below market since he is a RFA.

As far as Jimmy, I think he's gone and it is just posturing. I think they expect Brady to play 3 more years with Scarnecchia back and how the OL performed this year.
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03-01-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Yes and no re Brady. I mean you could create a scenario where they pay Jimmy a big bonus at the end of the next offseason and then he sits behind Brady for 2018 as well. Brady's cap hit isn't huge for 18 iirc and a big bonus could spread Jimmy over 5 -6 years. Not saying it's likely but if you really thought he was the answer for another decade then you could make it work

But if BB is planning on riding off into the sunset whenever Brady retires then he maximises short term value now, whether 'short term' is 1,2 or 3 years
Brady's cap hit for 2018 is currently $22m with a dead cap hit of $14m. I don't see how they pay Jimmy market value on a deal to be the backup in the beginning of the contract, when other teams with more cap room would be paying him to be the starter immediately.

& I understand your argument on BB, I just don't think a) he is planning on riding off & b) I don't think he would operate that way even if he was.

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Originally Posted by Namath12
so 49ers have zero quarterbacks on roster?
Correct.

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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish
my hot take: Brady plays 3 more seasons
That's probably close to the over/under, so not that hot of a take.

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
not super sure about that. he has played a ton of football for a 28 year old and has had nagging injuries every year. maybe they don't want to commit to him long term for megabucks, but he has no obvious replacement and projects to be very valuable this coming year. paying a high amount for one year could be a hedge where they pay a known entity a lot, but give themselves time to draft and prepare other LB's to take over. plus they seem to have the cap room for it.
I guess I don't really know what you're not sure about. They already announced they weren't tagging him. He's also only 26 (turns 27 in 11 days). I know we went back & forth in the Pats thread about whether they should or not.

Having the cap room, & wanting to allocate that much of the cap room to Hightower are two different things.

I've already seen reports today that Chris Long is leaving & people want to pay Mingo a lot of $$$ for some reason. I think they're going to keep doing their buy low thing on guys who don't impact the compensatory pick calculation, letting guys go who don't take slightly below market or who they don't consider to be integral parts of the team, & keep playing the long term game.

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I think Hightower is just gone. He isn't being tagged and I don't see the McCourty situation happening again because teams are too flush with cash. Someone will pay him far more than NE is willing to.

BB historically been much better at finding LB's than DB's so letting him go and paying Butler makes sense. Especially since you can get Butler slightly below market since he is a RFA.

As far as Jimmy, I think he's gone and it is just posturing. I think they expect Brady to play 3 more years with Scarnecchia back and how the OL performed this year.
I mostly agree with everything here, except I think there's some chance Hightower comes back depending on his priorities and the Patriots interest. Also agree they should/will pay Butler. & I mostly agree they will trade him, but there is some chance they won't, & if they don't, it's because they really want him to take over for Brady in 2018 I think, or think it's a very good possibility.
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03-01-2017 , 05:24 PM
Rams tagged Trumaine Johnson again costing $16m
Tavon Austin around $14m
Mark Barron around $11m

That is apparently 25% of the cap gone on those 3 players. Good God.
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03-01-2017 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
so 49ers have zero quarterbacks on roster?


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03-01-2017 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin21
Rams tagged Trumaine Johnson again costing $16m
Tavon Austin around $14m
Mark Barron around $11m

That is apparently 25% of the cap gone on those 3 players. Good God.
It's actually even slightly worse than that...

CB Trumaine Johnson $16.74m (10.01% cap)
WR Tavon Austin $14.98m (8.95%)
LB Mark Barron $11m (6.57%)
DT Michael Brockers $11m (6.57%)

That's 32.1% on those 4 guys...

Tavon contract is kind of interesting, though, because the hit over the next 4 years is never higher than $9.56m.

Barron's goes to $10m next year, then $9m the 2 years after that. Brockers is $10.75m the next 2 years.

There's also not a lot of dead $$$ on those contracts after this year (they could cut all 3 for a total of $4.5m dead $$$ after this year).

It looks like they planned these contracts to hit this year & give them more long term financial flexibility when they might need to make a splash next year when they go to new stadium.
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03-01-2017 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
I think Hightower is just gone. He isn't being tagged and I don't see the McCourty situation happening again because teams are too flush with cash. Someone will pay him far more than NE is willing to.
I could see the dolphins divebombing him with cash, they actually need a player like him. They'll draft a bust instead though.
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03-01-2017 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish
my hot take: Brady plays 3 more seasons
Assuming your over/under is therefore 48 games or something close, I'd have to sit down for safety's sake as all the blood in my body rushed to the rampaging erection I'd have the minute I snap took the under
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03-01-2017 , 07:01 PM
Does Brady take a snap in 2019 would probably be the way to bet that. Not some O/U on games.

Yes or No
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03-01-2017 , 07:45 PM
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“I had about three or four players from the Redskins — who don’t dislike Kirk Cousins — literally reach out to me during the season while I was on this show saying to me he can play, but don’t go by his numbers always,” Smith said on Tuesday. “Because, they said, there had been many occasions where we’ll be down, or we’re struggling, and what he will do is pad his numbers, calling certain plays in concert with the offensive coordinator, putting himself in a position where his numbers look good even if it’s not necessarily the right play that could help us get stuff done.”
lol at just casually throwing that out there
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03-01-2017 , 08:59 PM
I think Hightower is a bit of a FA trap due to specific skill set/scheme player. Given it's the NFL, someone will pay him then blame him if he doesn't work out there.

Rams paying tavon austin and mark barron, jeez. Gonna lol so hard if later on they can't afford aaron donald.

Alshon Jeffrey gonna get QB $ probably.
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03-01-2017 , 09:02 PM
This is off my head but I feel like LB performance in general is scheme/skill set utilization driven outside of the elite guys and that it is the biggest bust/underperformance position for FA's that get "paid" (say top 10 salary at their position)

No evidence to back that up though

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03-01-2017 , 09:08 PM
so the combine news today is the NFL is in love with yet another USC QB goldenboy for next year.
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03-01-2017 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Assuming your over/under is therefore 48 games or something close, I'd have to sit down for safety's sake as all the blood in my body rushed to the rampaging erection I'd have the minute I snap took the under
well yeah anyone would take the under on 48

48 as in 3 straight seasons without missing a game? I'd want 20 to 1 probably

44 as in 3 seasons while missing some games? 5 to 1 seems fair idk

real over/under is probably closer to 30. suffering a career-ending injury in a season opener of 2019 still counts as a season
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03-01-2017 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
right, and my guess is that's where are. they just can't know when it is that Brady will fall off the a cliff. that seems to be the most likely scenario, but nobody knows when it's going to happen.



right, but by all accounts he is not looking to be done anytime soon. literally all he has ever done professionally is coach (and analyze) football, I think he'll need to be forced out at some point.



not super sure about that. he has played a ton of football for a 28 year old and has had nagging injuries every year. maybe they don't want to commit to him long term for megabucks, but he has no obvious replacement and projects to be very valuable this coming year. paying a high amount for one year could be a hedge where they pay a known entity a lot, but give themselves time to draft and prepare other LB's to take over. plus they seem to have the cap room for it.
BB has said in interviews that he doesn't plan on coaching into his 70's, and he doesn't want to "be the next Marv Levy."

It was also recently reported that the Kraft's and BB already know the date BB is leaving. Jonathon Kraft was asked if that was true, and he said he was aware of an agreement, but part of the agreement was not to talk about it.

My guess is 3 to 4 more years for BB.
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03-01-2017 , 09:13 PM
I just don't see how they can pay Garapollo with the way contracts are going. Even if you got as creative as possible, the $ someone else would give him would still dwarf your deal.

Unless Brady retires after 2018 or the Pats cut him, but that just seems like a longshot.
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03-01-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish
well yeah anyone would take the under on 48

48 as in 3 straight seasons without missing a game? I'd want 20 to 1 probably

44 as in 3 seasons while missing some games? 5 to 1 seems fair idk

real over/under is probably closer to 30. suffering a career-ending injury in a season opener of 2019 still counts as a season
well I mean he's never missed a game because of injury with the exception of the 2008 ACL (which ****ed my fantasy season)

and those odds are pretty bad. Everybody would take 20 to 1 on Brady playing 16 for the next 3 seasons and most people would take 5 to 1 on 44, although that is a little more realistic.

I'd take both of those, even though I think his play will fall off a cliff before the end of 2018
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03-01-2017 , 11:20 PM
The Mets have more QBs in their camp than the 49ers.
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03-01-2017 , 11:27 PM
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so the combine news today is the NFL is in love with yet another USC QB goldenboy for next year.
Yeah but OTOH Sam Darnold took over a 1-3 team and ran up a winning streak to take them to the #3 AP final ranking while also putting up big numbers as a redshirt freshman

I think the hype is probably justified in that case
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03-02-2017 , 02:18 AM
Leonard Fournette weighs in at 240lbs. Might worry me in terms of the longevity of his burst/quickness etc if I was a GM but my word he is a big dude. Everybody will look at his 40, but his shuttle times will be interesting
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03-02-2017 , 02:41 AM
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The Mets have more QBs in their camp than the 49ers.
debatable
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03-02-2017 , 02:46 AM
Jamal Lewis was steady at 245 and ran over all the browns 10x both games one season. Bigger backs are definitely better in the run game if they're fast enough with the trend of smaller defenders.

9ers have no QB right now

draft articles "would be foolish to take one @ #2 overall"

so uh, what the hell is the plan then? Yet another season to the lol rebuild so far?
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03-02-2017 , 03:35 AM
Polian on Insiders this morning saying next year is a far stronger QB class. Always dangerous to look ahead like that but tanking has to be an option for Lynch n Shanny. They have the job security for it.

Polian also came out and said the Browns tanked 2016. Just of course lolBrowns that they get the top pick in a year with only a 2 day old sausage roll and a few dirty napkins at QB
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03-02-2017 , 06:30 AM
What is Aaron Donald worth?
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03-02-2017 , 07:29 AM
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What is Aaron Donald worth?


Depends how much of his rookie contract he's spent. My guess...is that it's mostly gone
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