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02-28-2017 , 03:31 PM
Charles a FA as well.
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02-28-2017 , 03:41 PM
hope jamaal gets a shot somewhere and stays healthy somehow. love that guy. 5.5 career YPC


anyway couldn't really care less one way or another w/r/t berry. everyone and their mom knows as long as smiff is qb they have no shot
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02-28-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Berry's contract seems fine, except it goes until he's 34, which could get a bit rough.

Bouye is a CB, so not really comparable, but yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he got more.


I guess being the most literal man in the world works when you're a lawyer?

Actually just checked and espn has Berry at 40 guaranteed where Insiders said 45 when I saw it earlier. 40 looks about right
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02-28-2017 , 03:54 PM
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I guess being the most literal man in the world works when you're a lawyer?

Actually just checked and espn has Berry at 40 guaranteed where Insiders said 45 when I saw it earlier. 40 looks about right
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I don't think it's a particularly controversial take that top end corners make more $ than top end safeties, & as such it isn't going to be surprising when Bouye gets more $ than Berry, even if he's obviously not relatively as good at his position.

Not really sure what issue you're taking with my post?
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02-28-2017 , 04:31 PM
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I don't think it's a particularly controversial take that top end corners make more $ than top end safeties, & as such it isn't going to be surprising when Bouye gets more $ than Berry, even if he's obviously not relatively as good at his position.

Not really sure what issue you're taking with my post?


it was a (snippy) joke but there isn't an issue apart from in translation. 'AJ Bouye or some rando' = AJ Bouye is an example of the several players people have hardly heard of who are no doubt gonna get paid more than this guy who we know is very good and thus Berry's deal won't look so expensive in two weeks time' rather than necessarily comparing the relative pay structures of Berry and Bouye's position groups

'Berry and Bouye' has a nice ring to it as a double act btw
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02-28-2017 , 05:02 PM
I guess Bruce Allen really is in charge...Ian Rappaport reporting Redskins won't trade Cousins.
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02-28-2017 , 05:12 PM
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I guess Bruce Allen really is in charge...Ian Rappaport reporting Redskins won't trade Cousins.


But you'd say that if you wanted to trade him too, right?
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02-28-2017 , 05:38 PM
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But you'd say that if you wanted to trade him too, right?
No...I'd say something more like the updated report from lol Mike Florio that the Redskins would need to be "blown away" by an offer to trade him.

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link?
This is my favorite NFL info compiling site:

NFL Trade Rumors - latest on Kirk Cousins stuff

That link has the Rappaport report & the updated info on what they would want in a trade.
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02-28-2017 , 05:39 PM
Would pay berry over bouye.

Chiefs appear to be pulling the Saints strategy of can kicking down the road but I don't blame them they gotta go for it now, even with smiff as the QB. Only big error is why they paid fisher so much.

Don't believe Cutlah is retiring, do believe he's pissed off at the org.

The alshon jeffrey sweepstakes are gonna be fun. Then I'm gonna cry b/c we had Marshall/jeffrey and now we're back to hester level era of WR's .

I do appreciate the vikings gamesmanship forcing the stealers to use exclusive not franchise tag on bell b/c of peterson's ridic $, then they announced they're cutting him afterwards loooooool. Franchise would've been more than that before the cut but would be less after the ap cut than what he's gonna get now.

Last edited by wheatrich; 02-28-2017 at 05:51 PM.
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02-28-2017 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Would pay berry over bouye.

Chiefs appear to be pulling the Saints strategy of can kicking down the road but I don't blame them they gotta go for it now, even with smiff as the QB. Only big error is why they paid fisher so much.
They also just gave like $20 million guaranteed to Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
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02-28-2017 , 07:47 PM
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They also just gave like $20 million guaranteed to Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
Can't let him retire to go be a Canadian doctor.

Some reports are so mind-numbingly dumb:

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According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Media, the Broncos appear to be “clearly in the driver’s seat” for Tony Romo if he’s willing to accept a pay cut from the $14 million he’s owed for this season.
Wtf does that mean Ian Rappaport? If Tony Romo likes the Broncos enough to take less money to play for them, then they are likely to be the team that acquires his services?

Not sure why Romo would think it's a better place to go win than several other places? That don't involve a team that just lost Wade Phillips & hired the guy who coached the Dolphins defense last year?

Houston & Kansas City for example.
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02-28-2017 , 08:02 PM
Would be Gangster if The Racial Slurs could get 2 1s and some others for Cousins, get Romo for 10+ m per year less and be able to sign/resign some WRs with the cap space and then win now for 2 years while also getting a QB to develop for the next two years
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02-28-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Would be Gangster if The Racial Slurs could get 2 1s and some others for Cousins, get Romo for 10+ m per year less and be able to sign/resign some WRs with the cap space and then win now for 2 years while also getting a QB to develop for the next two years
I wanted to put the Redskins once they trade Cousins in my previous post...but I felt like it would distract from my lolRapaport & again shift the focus to my controversial Cousins take.
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02-28-2017 , 09:06 PM
Jets continue the roster purge, cut Revis Island
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02-28-2017 , 10:14 PM
The Jairius Byrd era ends at the Saints.
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03-01-2017 , 12:59 PM
Here's a good Barnwell article on Cousins.

He is higher on Cousins than I am, but still thinks it probably makes sense for both teams to do a trade of:

49ers get:
Kirk Cousins
17th pick
154th pick

Redskins get:
2nd pick
109th pick
Eric Reid

Patriots saying they won't trade Garoppolo now, which I assume means the same thing of hey look we want to keep him you'll have to make us a godfather offer & not just the best offer. They really ought to trade him, I think? Although they could play it out another year & see how things go with Brady, and then move on from Brady & long term Garoppolo. His value probably won't be higher next year unless he actually plays, & maybe they think he's actually the guy? Who knows.

A bunch of random unsurprising or unimportant notes:
* Chiefs probably not franchising Poe.
* Texans not franchising Bouye.
* Kaep officially opts out.
* Josh Gordon Applying for reinstatement.
* NFL salary cap officially set at $167m. This is the 4th consecutive year the cap has increased by at least $10m. Could be why there is lots of $$$ floating around.
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03-01-2017 , 02:58 PM
So many things would be going into the Jimmy decision but got to think part of it is what BB's timeline is. Like, he does seem to be the kind of coach who will want to work into his 70s but if he wanted to have any time of normal retirement and wanted to time his departure around TB12 then grabbing that 1st rounder now makes more sense.

But then in this scenario, maybe he'd have used the tag on Hightower?
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03-01-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
So many things would be going into the Jimmy decision but got to think part of it is what BB's timeline is. Like, he does seem to be the kind of coach who will want to work into his 70s but if he wanted to have any time of normal retirement and wanted to time his departure around TB12 then grabbing that 1st rounder now makes more sense.

But then in this scenario, maybe he'd have used the tag on Hightower?
I think the only timeline that matters in this decision is Brady's. If they plan to have Brady be their QB in 2018, it makes sense to trade Garoppolo now. If they think it's likely they'll be ready to move on in 2018, they should keep Garoppolo. If you're some percentage in the middle unsure, that's where it gets complicated.

I don't think BB does anything that isn't driven by the long term best interest of the team, regardless of what his personal timeline is.

Franchising Hightower never made sense unless they planned on trading him because it artificially sets his expected contract value too high, & they are never paying an off-the-line LB $15m in a season. & tag & trade not likely because they probably couldn't get more than the supplemental 3rd they would get by letting him walk. He'll either go to the highest bidder, or take a couple million less from the Patriots to come back, just like McCourty did.
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03-01-2017 , 03:50 PM
Yes and no re Brady. I mean you could create a scenario where they pay Jimmy a big bonus at the end of the next offseason and then he sits behind Brady for 2018 as well. Brady's cap hit isn't huge for 18 iirc and a big bonus could spread Jimmy over 5 -6 years. Not saying it's likely but if you really thought he was the answer for another decade then you could make it work

But if BB is planning on riding off into the sunset whenever Brady retires then he maximises short term value now, whether 'short term' is 1,2 or 3 years
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03-01-2017 , 03:52 PM
Incidentally a fun prop would be over/under remaining regular seasons games in Brady's career
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03-01-2017 , 04:04 PM
With a different line for in New Englad (analogous to a regulation vs including overtime total).
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03-01-2017 , 04:11 PM
so 49ers have zero quarterbacks on roster?
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03-01-2017 , 04:15 PM
my hot take: Brady plays 3 more seasons
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03-01-2017 , 04:18 PM
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I think the only timeline that matters in this decision is Brady's. If they plan to have Brady be their QB in 2018, it makes sense to trade Garoppolo now. If they think it's likely they'll be ready to move on in 2018, they should keep Garoppolo. If you're some percentage in the middle unsure, that's where it gets complicated.
right, and my guess is that's where are. they just can't know when it is that Brady will fall off the a cliff. that seems to be the most likely scenario, but nobody knows when it's going to happen.

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I don't think BB does anything that isn't driven by the long term best interest of the team, regardless of what his personal timeline is.
right, but by all accounts he is not looking to be done anytime soon. literally all he has ever done professionally is coach (and analyze) football, I think he'll need to be forced out at some point.

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Franchising Hightower never made sense unless they planned on trading him because it artificially sets his expected contract value too high, & they are never paying an off-the-line LB $15m in a season. & tag & trade not likely because they probably couldn't get more than the supplemental 3rd they would get by letting him walk. He'll either go to the highest bidder, or take a couple million less from the Patriots to come back, just like McCourty did.
not super sure about that. he has played a ton of football for a 28 year old and has had nagging injuries every year. maybe they don't want to commit to him long term for megabucks, but he has no obvious replacement and projects to be very valuable this coming year. paying a high amount for one year could be a hedge where they pay a known entity a lot, but give themselves time to draft and prepare other LB's to take over. plus they seem to have the cap room for it.
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