8 more years? That's a lot. I just got to witness 8 years of Garrold Kubiak. I'd pretty much include my left nut in trade at this point.

Oh man, I had no idea you were actually trying to make a point.

Just saying he's probably not coaching until he's 75 or anything.

Also possible he's not as good of a coach in his late 60s as he was at 50.

Pretty clearly the most valuable asset in the NFL over the last 13 years though.

Coaches probably decline with age at a level somewhat similar to players. Senility could be just a couple years away for ol' Belicheat.

Pretty close between him and Peyton, I'd lean Peyton.

You could also argue that it's Peyton and not that close.

I don't understand what you mean.

Peyton counts against the cap and BB doesn't plus Peyton had a season where he provided negative value (given he didnt play and counted against the cap unless you go really meta and say he helped give the Colts Luck). That's the deciding factor IMO.

Brady counted against the cap, too (and also had a season-ending injury of his own to factor into his salary vs. value). You're never going to be consistently elite without an elite quarterback, and even if you want to buy that Belichick gives you a huge edge in finding and developing said QB (which I buy into), the QB will still have to be paid.

I'm hitching my wagon to GOAT in this debate. GOAT made many poor coaches look like geniuses, but BB never looked great without Brady. I think the difference between BB and a replacement level coach is quite small compared to the difference between GOAT and a replacement level QB.

Peyton is easily a more valuable asset than BB. BB hasn't promised 10 wins a year anywhere but NE. Peyton takes 10 wins with him wherever he goes. The same is likely true for other Tier 1 QBs, especially the young group given how long you can have them for.

Edit: Texans should obviously trade Watt for BB though (assuming BB will coach for 10 more years). LOL Defense and all that.

two more playoff teams means back to back tripleheaders on the first playoff weekend. That will be prettyfantastic.

I still would take BB, but fair points. Guess it would depend on who is coaching. Id want to kill myself if I was a Manning fan and had to watch him QB a Dungy/Caldwell coached team for ten years.

1st round bye gonna be eliminated entirely eventually if a 3rd WC team is permitted. eventually there will be two 13-3 teams at the top of a conference, people will query "why the huge advantage when both teams essentially performed the same, HFA throughout playoffs enough of an advantage", plus money talks.

I'm not the one who said BB was the most valuable since 2000, but it's too easy to look back at Peyton and say he was most valuable. It also has nothing to do with the disucssion at hand, which is BB's value moving forward.

As I said, BB won't get injured, other than senility, which will still have him a top 10 coach. Peyton was really lucky to play like 15 straight damn seasons without missing a step, then have 16 injury games come in 1 season.

Who (QB or anybody) is more valuable to an organization over the next 8 years than BB? Luck the closest comp? I don't think it's Rodgers since he's on this side of 30 but maybe it is.

Also lol @ BB never looked great without Brady. He didn't even make the playoffs with a trial-by-fire Matt Cassell!

nah it was pretty fun on the whole, albeit very frustrating at times.

snap off Rodgers or Luck over BB for the next eight years, especially given coaches are improving and Belichick's lost some of his edge.

Exactly.

NFL Playoffs are huge variance games. One bad game and you're out.

I never thought of it this way before, but byes are a giant advantage, and I think they should be eliminated.

If they increase the number of playoff teams, won't they have to add two more per conference? Or do you just add one team and then give the top 3 teams byes??

You never thought of byes as huge advantages before? That's the point, to reward the top 2 seeds. Changing that sucks.

takes just don't get hotter than "teams with byes have advantages"

Obviously I like Pete, but he may not make it 8 more years.

Byes are huge advantages, and that's why they're important. The regular season has to mean something.

Yeah, Rodgers, Luck, Rustler, Cam, Kaep, and Foles are all almost certainly more valuable than any coach.

Bingo. I hope Dan Patrick is incorrect.