I think it's fine, you can never look back though imo.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...ohnsons-future

Megatron, if Franchise Tagged, would count for $26.4M against the cap in 2013 and $31.7M in 2014.

gl Tom Lewand.. have fun with this one.

Welcome aboard, Needle.

again seems unfair to attribute him that much credit. nicks and evans have been pretty elite for a few years now while the rest of the pieces have come and gone

and again, brees/payton. the dropoff will be minimal imo

Nicks and Evans have been elite for a few years, but those have all been under Aaron Kromer. I think you're understating how important a position coach can be in developing talent.

Assani posted a story in the SF-NO game thread about the number of undrafted free agents and low-round players that have played a big role in the Saints' success, and while a credit that is to Mickey Loomis and the rest of the FO and scouting staff for finding the talent, the coaches also have to recognize it and develop it.

The Saints' current line is

Jermon Bushrod - 2007 4th rounder
Carl Nicks - 2008 5th rounder
Brian de la Puente - 2008 UDFA; spent 08-10 on four different practice squads
Jahri Evans - 2006 4th rounder
Zach Strief - 2006 7th rounder

All of those guys have been drafted / developed since Payton came to town. I'm sure they'll be fine without him, because they'll find someone else good, but Kromer has done a really good job developing that line, and deserves credit.

just saying i dont think he will be missed, has nothing to do with how good he is

The Raiders are going to prove all you wrong next year. It was a great trade that favored the Raiders. QBs are hard to come by and any time you can acquire one it is worth it. Draft picks are overrated and a crap-shoot for the most part.

The entire Raiders offense was injured this year, and Palmer played most of his games without any receivers and still put up decent numbers. They are going to be a force to be reckoned with next year, if they can stay healthy.

Ryan, Flacco, Henne, Flynn (mebbe)
Stafford, Sanchez (lol), Freeman (mebbe)
Bradford, Tebow (not really), McCoy (lol)
Newton, Dalton, Ponder/Locker (mebbe)

Noteable QBs drafted the last four years. Granted, the good ones are high picks let's say OAK will draft around the 15-20 spot next year (would have been 17th this year).

Palmer is 32 years old. Just look around the 15-20 and 47-52 range from the last four years that's potentially two pretty good, young (and cheap these days) players.

Also: I think the QB crop coming out is going to be better and better on average but that's just a random guess. The deal becomes lolbad if you figure in the new rookie pay scales etc.

that is some truly awful analysis clowntable. im pretty sure a ton more qbs were drafted in the last 4 yrs.

The draft is really fascinating to me, with the way teams must have intimate knowledge of other teams' draft boards and the amount of bluffing, etc. goes on. I wish someone would write an in-depth book about it.

Of course but the claim is that there isn't that many QBs of Palmer's caliber. My counterclaim is that about one or two get added to the pool each year (and like I said my speculation is it'll be closer to two than one in the upcomming years).

I'd love to franchise tag/sign Campbell and move Palmer if we can recoup a bit of value. If someone offers a ~OAK first rounder I snap do it and eat the 2nd rounder as a "gamble on playoffs" loss.

Is Jason Campbell ever going to get a fair shake? Dude needs a hug.

and good luck hitting on those qbs. and even if you hit, you still need to develop them, and that will take a few yrs. with palmer, you get a starting caliber qb right away.

presumably you watch the raiders, i dont see how you can think campbell is remotely comparable to palmer. campbell was simply incapable of getting the ball downfield. surprisingly, palmer primarily utilized vertical passing and was fairly effective.

thats why palmer goes for a first+ and campbell will be lucky to fetch a 3rd.

During which time all that young offensive talent gets older and more injured. The reason they were willing to overpay for Palmer is bc they believed they were in a championship window and made an aggressive move. If you develop a young QB, who knows how effective DMC will be when that QB is ready.

And I love how Campbell has five decent games and people are like "zomg Campbell is taking us to the Super Bow!" Sample size FTL. He had the benefit of DMC crushing at the time, which Palmer never did and even then he wasn't exactly elite. We know what Campbell can do and it's not what Palmer can do.

holy ****, just saw what the jags owner looks like for the first time and i can't stop laughing

The fans have been sporting fake mustaches at the games too. Pretty funny.

Which is probably why people got fired, lol @ thinking they are in a championship window.

Not true, he had a few downfield passes before he went down. Was taking more shots this season than before. Either way the value window between the two isn't big and Campbell is two years younger.
We also used the crapola Cincy offense more and more after Palmer got here. That is hopefully gone with Hue as well.

4.9 INT% vs 2.4%. We have a great rungame, I want less turnovers.
Palmer also took a sack every 20 attempts roughly, Campbell that season only every 33 attempts.

Lol sample sizes etc

Campbell is severely underrated. He was pretty good the season before as well despite getting sacked a ton. How don't we know what Palmer can do...his glory days are gone, he can't do all that much.

Truth.

according to pff, campbell attempted 24 passes of 20 yards or more and completed 6 of them for 222 yards. 1td and 2 int.

palmer was 20 of 50 for 701 yards with 7 tds and 3 int.

for medium passes palmer was again better. campbell blew palmer away at short passes.

i dunno, id much prefer the guy that can get the ball downfield.

campbell also got to throw to jacoby ford and dump off to Mcfadden something palmer didn't have the chance to do

also huge lol at franchising campbell

Oh wow franchise = lol expensive (average of top 5 or 120% whichever is greater...thought you could always pick the 120%), nevermind. Just pretend I said sign to a two year deal where year two cut doesn't hit the cap or smth. Probably going to be impossible to sign+trade given he's a FA. But like I said I'd rather sing Campbell and trade Palmer.

Only need to find the Vicor-GM that'll give up good value
Wonder if Jets would take Palmer and cut Sanchez.

look, id much rather give up a mid first and 2nd for palmer than a first for campbell as you proposed earlier.

regardless, my point was never that it was a great deal, just that they payed only a tad more than market value bc in the nfl, qbs cost a lot.

Wait a second where did I say a first for Campbell. If I said that I'd like to take it back.

26th in passing yds
23rd in comp %
28th in yds/game
27th in TDs
8th in sacks
18th overall rating

He's confirmed terrible and ran good through a small sample size this year while DMC was doing work. Congrats he a nice lucky bomb to DMoore vs. Buf into double coverage where Moore just took it away from two guys.