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02-06-2019 , 11:50 AM

#7226

DodgerIrish

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Nuggets dude is seriously elite along with Masai.

All time it's West and Red and no one else is close tho.

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02-06-2019 , 11:52 AM

#7227

DodgerIrish

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Oh, Pop/Buford is in that top 3.

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02-06-2019 , 12:57 PM

#7228

bigt2k4

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Thon for Stanley Johnson transfer.

Bucks stocking up to try and stop Kawhi

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02-06-2019 , 01:05 PM

#7229

capone0

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Isn’t Stanley a bust?

Thon obviously wanted more minutes in Milwaukee but to me was much more valuable.

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02-06-2019 , 01:19 PM

#7230

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Originally Posted by capone0

Isn’t Stanley a bust?

Thon obviously wanted more minutes in Milwaukee but to me was much more valuable.

This is how I feel. You also get that extra year to evaluate before using or losing said player. I like it more for Detroit.

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02-06-2019 , 01:24 PM

#7231

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Kevin Knox selected to replace Lonzo in the rising-stars game over Monte Morris.. The NBA hates small markets.

If Monte were picked 8th nobody would be surprised with that draft slot even given his age (in hindsight), imo.

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02-06-2019 , 01:42 PM

#7232

patron

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From yesterday, but haven't seen anything contradicting this:

"As the Pelicans field offers for Anthony Davis, Boston’s message to New Orleans has been direct: Wait. Wait, and we will come to you with an offer that will make it worth it. Wait, and you can raid our stash of draft picks. The Celtics have refused to directly dangle Jayson Tatum, two sources familiar with the situation told SI.com, but the Pelicans have been left with the impression that if Davis remains on the roster past Thursday, nothing is off the table."

Bolded seems key. Ainge ain't gonna offer Tatum. Might not be a very good offer at all.

Might be more like:

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02-06-2019 , 01:46 PM

#7233

patron

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2019 Clippers 1st round pick. 2021 Heat 1st round pick.

What do the Clippers need to add to this to make their offer better than the Lakers?

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02-06-2019 , 01:56 PM

#7234

patron

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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish

Only Red Auerbach.

Good exec discussion, some great names in there.

Only quoted this part, because I wanted to ask - why is Red close to West? I'm not that familiar, but from Wiki, all I see as an exec is Red successfully re-building the Celtics twice (multiple titles each re-build).

West successfully re-built the Lakers twice (multiple titles each re-build), then went on to have major roles re-building the Warriors, Grizzlies, and Clippers.

Is there stuff I'm missing that makes Red close?

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02-06-2019 , 02:00 PM

#7235

capone0

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Seems like we should regard eras. It’s Very hard to compare an era with few teams and no FA to our current era. It’s so much harder to GM now.

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02-06-2019 , 02:21 PM

#7236

tarheeljks

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Originally Posted by patron

Summer. The reference point was always this Thursday's trade deadline vs summer, since it appeared/appears that NOPe is intent on turning down the Lakers now and waiting until summer. Of course they should wait for any last minute deadline deals now, and if nothing better appears, then do the Lakers deal at the very deadline. So if the Clippers beat their offer, which they might now be able to, then great for NOPe. We just weren't talking about other deals currently because no realistic offers were being floated.

But in reference to waiting, we'll likely get to see if this summer's offers are indeed better or worse than the final offers made by the end of this Thursday's deadline from the Lakers, Clippers, and any others.

My post was sarcastic

Edit: doesn’t seem like the clips can offer the same level of assets in bulk, but their picks are juicy

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02-06-2019 , 02:25 PM

#7237

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

Thon for Stanley Johnson transfer.

Bucks stocking up to try and stop Kawhi

They've done a pretty ****ing good job so far.

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02-06-2019 , 02:45 PM

#7238

Perhaps Shimmy

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Love the Pistons getting Thon. Adding the shrewd wisdom of a 90-year old vet is exactly what they need.

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02-06-2019 , 02:47 PM

#7239

DodgerIrish

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I mean, that wiki is pretty crazy. Let's talk about before he even got to the Celtics

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Auerbach left Duke after a few months when Ben Kerner, owner of the Tri-Cities Blackhawks, gave him the green light to rebuild the team from scratch. Auerbach traded more than two dozen players in just six weeks, and the revamped Blackhawks improved, but ended the 1949–50 NBA season with a losing record of 28–29. When Kerner traded Auerbach's favorite player John Mahnken, an angry Auerbach resigned again.[2]

Dude was Hinkie before Hinkie.

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Boston Celtics (1950–2006)[edit]
The early years (1950–56)[edit]
Prior to the 1950–51 NBA season, Walter Brown, owner of the Boston Celtics, was desperate to turn around his struggling and financially strapped franchise, which was reeling from a 22–46 record.[6] Brown, in characteristic candor, said to a gathering of local Boston sportswriters, "Boys, I don't know anything about basketball. Who would you recommend I hire as coach?" The group vociferously answered that he get the recently available Auerbach, and Brown complied. In the 1950 NBA draft, Auerbach made some notable moves. First, he famously snubbed Hall-of-Fame New England point guard Bob Cousy in the 1950 NBA draft, infuriating the Boston crowd. He argued that the flashy Cousy lacked the poise necessary to make his team, taunting him as a "local yokel".[2] Second, he drafted African-American Chuck Cooper, the first black player to be drafted by an NBA club.[10] With that, Auerbach effectively broke down the color barrier in professional basketball.[3]

This seems notable and isn't as well-known as it should be.

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02-06-2019 , 02:53 PM

#7240

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He built the most successful team OAT and they were 22-46 beforehand.

What are you talking about Patron? His resume is ho-hum? He built 11 titles in 13 years, and again they were very bad beforehand. Then built another title team in the 70s and another dynasty in the 80s.

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After the season, Auerbach completed one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history, garnering a pair of future Hall of Famers for a pair of first round draft picks. He had always been a fan of stockpiling draft picks, so even after the success of the 1979–80 season the Celtics had both the 1st and 13th picks in the coming 1980 NBA draft. Seeking to improve the team immediately Auerbach sent them to the Golden State Warriors for both center Robert Parish[43] and the Warriors' first round pick, the 3rd overall. He then used the pick to select University of Minnesota power forward Kevin McHale.[44] With the addition of star prospect Larry Bird, the Celtics' new "Big 3" put the team back on the path to dominance.

He also drafted Bird a year early and sat on his rights, with the 6th pick he stashed Larry Bird. Never knew the stare-down they had over his contract before.

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Before the draft, Larry Bird had just finished his junior year at Indiana State. However, he was eligible to be drafted without applying for "hardship" because his original college class at Indiana University had graduated.[9][14] He initially enrolled at Indiana University in 1974 but dropped out before the season began. After sitting out a year, he enrolled at Indiana State.[15] Despite being eligible for the draft, he stated that he would return to college for his senior season. His hometown team, the Indiana Pacers, initially held the first overall pick. However, when they failed to persuade him to leave college early, they traded the first pick to the Blazers, who also failed to convince him into signing.[16][17] Five teams, including the Pacers who held the third pick, passed on Bird until the Celtics used the sixth pick to draft him. They drafted him even though they knew that they might lose the exclusive rights to him if he didn't sign before the next draft. He could reenter the draft in 1979 and sign with the other team that drafted him, and in negotiations with Red Auerbach Bird's agent Bob Woolf bluntly dismissed Red's lowball salary offers (he said that he would not offer Bird a contract that paid him more than the $400,000 annual salary of the team's highest-paid player at the time, Dave Cowens) and made it clear that Bird would enter the 1979 Draft without any regrets if Boston didn't change its plans. Nevertheless, on April 1979, he signed a five-year, US$3.25-million contract with the Celtics, which made him the highest-paid rookie in the history of team sport at that time.[18]

I'd say he's the NBA's Paul Brown, but he's prbly more GOAT.

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02-06-2019 , 02:54 PM

#7241

MagnumMike 357

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Tobias Harris- Age 26

2017-18: 41% on 5.6 3PA
2018-19: 43% on 4.7 3PA

He's an excellent fit on the 76'ers. A huge upgrade over Chandler and Muscala. Boban and Scott give some nice depth to their thin front-court. Scott is also shooting the 3 better than Muscala.

Simmons-Redick-Butler-Harris-Embiid only behind GSW for starting 5. I don't see Jimmy the winner bolting if it's a Finals loss. I don't mind losing the Miami pick since they won't be tanking that season.

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02-06-2019 , 02:58 PM

#7242

patron

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Sorry heels, my meter was broken.

Also, I agree. The 2021 Miami pick may be the juiciest single asset, but they don't have as many bulk assets.

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02-06-2019 , 03:01 PM

#7243

vinivici9586

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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish

Only Red Auerbach.

Ainge and Morey are next all time. Riley and Krause have had some serious missteps. Presti and Hinkie are very good.

Donnie Walsh was great in Indy but horrible in NYK.

f'oh

Ainge got gifted KG from an ex-teammate. lets see how he does this time around, where people think he's an *******.

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02-06-2019 , 03:03 PM

#7244

patron

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DI, good stuff. I obv wasn't saying Red was ho hum, and he's a clear #2 imo, but there's not as much variety or volume of rebuilds as West, that's all. Plus era, like capone said.

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02-06-2019 , 03:05 PM

#7245

MagnumMike 357

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I think Miami should trade Wayne Ellington 6M. He's a free agent next year and I'd be surprised if they resigned him. Package him with James Johnson's 14M,15M,16M for some picks and they are looking a little better.

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02-06-2019 , 03:05 PM

#7246

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This trade is exactly the type of front office decision that should be lauded. What the heck is the point of a 2021 Miami first rounder for the 76'ers timeline? You've got three All-Stars, ready to win. Front-end whatever you can while Simmons is still on his rookie contract, and lock these 4 down for the next 5 years. Tobias Harris is a great fit.

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02-06-2019 , 03:06 PM

#7247

DodgerIrish

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West shouldn't get credit for GS too much. Steph was already there.

Memphis isn't really that worthy of mention tbh.

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02-06-2019 , 03:07 PM

#7248

vinivici9586

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Originally Posted by MagnumMike 357

heat are over the luxury tax. they'll give away ellington if they need to.

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02-06-2019 , 03:08 PM

#7249

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Originally Posted by capone0

The lakers plan never made sense from the get go. Lebron coming to a team with young players who have yet to develop. I guess Lebron, who’s my favorite player, gets what he deserves for making this decision but I guess it wasn’t basketball based. Most of the assets the Lakers thought they had, have been shown to be not as valuable in the kawhi deals to SA and this deal to the Pelicans. It’s sad to waste the twilight prime years of Lebron to another stupid plan that’s gonna take too long to materialize and even if it does their still heavy dogs to a number of squads.

Lebron gets to play in LA, the Lakers get Lebron. Pretty sure everyone got what they wanted out of the deal

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02-06-2019 , 03:08 PM

#7250

DodgerIrish

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Originally Posted by vinivici9586

f'oh

Ainge got gifted KG from an ex-teammate. lets see how he does this time around, where people think he's an *******.

People always say that, but Big Al was 16/11 as a 21 year old. What better were you going to get? Minnesota got a better return then other superstars, ainec.

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