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12-17-2013 , 06:06 PM
Bledsoe is better than RWB. Just like he was better than Butler two weeks ago. Everyone who was wrong then is free to be wrong now as well.
12-17-2013 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta
bottom line if u think a 5'9'' lil zeke who always gets scored on and never wins is better at d than 6'2'' long ass arms stong rondo who never gets scored on and always wins, and if u think eric bledsoe is better than russel westbrook who also never loses...well f it
rondo has regressed defensively and now over gambles and is often out of position

he obv has the tools to be >>> zeke on defense, it's all a matter of whether brad can bring him back to form or if its in his DNA to not care.
12-17-2013 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
I really like the idea of making the court bigger/moving the three-point line back too.

The question of "Is a 33% three-pointer a good shot?" can be interpreted to mean two separate things. The first is "Should you gear your offense toward generating these shots?" In this scenario, it is obviously necessary to include turnovers.

The second is "If this shot is available right now, should you take it (slash what is its value)?" This is the framework in which we were discussing it. Obviously, if it's available, turnovers are not an issue -- yet, if you pass the shot up, they become a possibility again. This is an intentional consequence of the framework, not an omission.
This has been and remains a super interesting argument. However, I think the "pro" side is underestimating the difficulty in generating large numbers of additional "33%" threes. I think it would be interesting to watch and see how many "shoot it!" moments you can find in an average game, and further how many of those weren't instances where the player was trying a legitimate attempt at something better (maybe pump fake and drive, maybe thought he saw someone open in the paint, etc). To put it another way, I posit that the NBA player as a rule is not prone to underestimating his ability to make a given shot.

There are probably a few more available on the margins, and I would suspect that a team that dedicated it's player selection and development towards that could squeeze a even a few more than that out, but at a certain point it's diminishing returns between the players who can execute the three-centric style on one end and not get demolished on the other end by a more traditional team - Steve Novak and Matt Bonner are spot players for a reason.
12-17-2013 , 06:19 PM
Rondo also on the "bigger role on offense, play worse defense" train along with every other player in the league not named Lebron or Paul George.
12-17-2013 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by westhoff
with dudley and gentry on the clippers, pretty sure i'll be on the bandwagon after about 2 suns games lol
Early pages of the thread pretty golden. Lots of stuff like this and 1. Bulls/Nets.
12-17-2013 , 06:25 PM
that would be a sick haul for rondo, and huge lolkings

i'm gonna keep calling JIMMY BUCKETS by that as a direct diss to lolthornton. fat scrub chuckers don't deserve non-mocking nicknames


only thing i'd stress in the 33% 3 argument is that often the value of the look you can generate after the pt where a 33% 3 is available is generally much worse than league average offense. ppp obv goes down as the shot clock ticks, and if you're already in the halfcourt. often it's not a 1ppp possession like 10 seconds in after your presumably best creator has just passed it to some scrub, it's more like .85ppp, or whatever depending on the lineup

as far as quality of play, people being more paranoid about not helping off 3pt shooters will probably result in more blowbys and undoubled postups, which people love to see. i agree with cubes, i think it'll basically work itself out in the end from a strategy perspective and it's still NBA so it'll undoubtedly be sick to watch


i am hoping that the nba suffers a massive drop in popularity so silver is forced to drastically reduce the number of timeouts, but my faith in american racism is really strained atm so idk if it'll happen. hopefully obama cheats on his wife

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12-17-2013 , 06:27 PM
Guess who's back in NBA

12-17-2013 , 06:30 PM
Any other hints?
12-17-2013 , 06:31 PM
i mean that couldn't be more of an obv half assed report. either it's completely made up or somebody heard that the kings were going to ship some combination of those assets and decided that meant that ALL of them were going.

the earliest 1st rounder that the kings can convey is in 2017 and that's only on the condition that they aren't bottom 10 next year (gl w/ that in the west with a rondo/gay/boogie core).

if ainge decided to deal with the kangz rape would inevitably occur, but i doubt it would be to that historical extent. also even if they were talking a deal can't be imminent bc that would leave the kangz point guard-less for the next couple of weeks.
12-17-2013 , 06:31 PM
black, neck tattoo, mouth agape like jr smith

im going with jr smiths brother.
12-17-2013 , 06:34 PM
Alexis Ajinca, whoever that is.
12-17-2013 , 06:34 PM
Alexis Ajinca French big dude bust recently seen getting lit up by Mirotic in Euroleague play...
12-17-2013 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Horton
Bledsoe is better than RWB. Just like he was better than Butler two weeks ago. Everyone who was wrong then is free to be wrong now as well.
It's stuff like this that makes it hard to take Raids seriously.
12-17-2013 , 06:36 PM
4 years 500 minutes played 93 career Ortg yes Ajinca

he played well recently in europa against scrub but got destroyed by mirotic/gasols in euro, maybe he can play some positive basketball as backup C
12-17-2013 , 06:37 PM
wait that really isnt jr smiths brother?
12-17-2013 , 06:37 PM
along with everything else
12-17-2013 , 06:38 PM
Seadood,

Surely you're not getting on someone else's case for homertarding. I mean, surely you didn't read that post without considering the context in which it was made--i.e., responding to anatta's far more egregious posts. And, finally, surely you don't think RWB is a lock better asset than Bledsoe all things considered.

Boot,

Matt Schaub still a top 12 QB?
12-17-2013 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Scherer716
wait that really isnt jr smiths brother?
shot selection brother only
12-17-2013 , 06:41 PM
lol wp
12-17-2013 , 06:43 PM
Ray there is a big difference between saying "Ty Lawson is awesome" and "Ty Lawson is better than RWB", especially when based off such a small sample. So far you've extrapolated a quarter season's worth of play for the Suns and spewed a plethora of lol claims from it. I am a homer, you are a homertard.

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12-17-2013 , 06:44 PM
ya raids demarcates his homerism and the rest of his posts pretty well, sucks that he's actually more lolwrong when he's attempting to make a bitingly salient point and it's just another classic lolraids moment
12-17-2013 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDean1
rondo has regressed defensively and now over gambles and is often out of position

he obv has the tools to be >>> zeke on defense, it's all a matter of whether brad can bring him back to form or if its in his DNA to not care.
Don't think ti's fair to say that Rondo "now" does anything. We haven't seen him play in a pretty long time. An offseason with B-RAD will probably have him be elite. His ceiling as a player is definitely >>>Isaiah.

I wouldn't trade them straight up but I would do the trade for Isaiah and a pick.
12-17-2013 , 06:52 PM
I don't think it's too early to be extremely high on Bledsoe. I do think he benefits from an incredible synergy with Dragic as well as drawing the 2nd best perimeter defender at times when both are on the floor, but he's getting to the rim with ease and finishing with strength and touch. It's not a situation where he's running incredibly hot from deep, like a Smiff (last year) or George or Wes, where it's much easier to discount the sample and anticipate regression. Unlike these others, we don't have historical data on his ability to do what he's doing now because this is the first time he's been freed.

I think there are serious questions about RWB's ability to bounce back from the ACL given his play in 660 mins this year and his attacking style. He's been like Rubio around the basket this year and isn't the outside shooter Bledsoe is, as well as being a year older.

Finally, Bledsoe has been a stone killer in the 4th, especially during winning time.
12-17-2013 , 07:12 PM
Lol @ saying Bledsoe > RWB

You have gone into crazy train territory
12-17-2013 , 07:20 PM
I'll be honest and say I haven't seen enough of Bledsoe to feel too confident. I know RAIDS is RAIDS but for anyone to feel that he's THAT good will at least make me consider it. Chances are the claims are fully lol but I'm gonna give the bled a close watching soon.

      
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