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05-21-2014 , 03:26 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we...draft-lottery/

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• By the way: If you deal away an unprotected first-round pick that ends up in the lottery, you should still have to send a representative to appear on TV. Dell Demps, the Pelicans’ GM, had to smile at the dais even though the Pellies had only a 3.98 percent chance of keeping their own pick. That sliver of hope made his attendance mandatory, since the league has to have a representative on hand to stand for the ceremonial top-three reveal and do interviews in the event of nabbing the top pick.

The Knicks had a zero percent chance of keeping their own pick, since they gave it to Denver without any protection. But teams in that situation should still have to sit at the dais, if only for comedic purposes.
05-21-2014 , 04:26 PM


from deadspin

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Hot Sauce, cult hero of the And1 Mixtapes and so forth, has played his way back into the public eye and this website after completely murdering this one defender in a recent clip. Seriously, the defender might be dead.

He starts off against this defender, as most streetball plays do, in isolation on the wing. Hot Sizzle then jukes and humiliates his way down to the block before pulling off that dope move that somehow always works, when he looks like he's throwing it crosscourt, but throws it straight up in the air instead, causing the defender to turn around like an imbecile and look for a pass that never happened.

The poor defender's ankles are all over the place and he's under the basket with no idea where the ball is, so he decides, smartly, to give up on the play. For a brief second, all is calm. Then, Sizzle finds a fellow by the nickname of the Baby LeBron—who, it must be said, is indistinguishable from Full-Grown LeBron—streaking down the lane for the alley-oop. The result is devastating.

Baby LeBron dunks over and through the poor defender's torso and soul. Baby LeBron does the Full-Grown LeBron Big Play celebration. Fans begin to flee. One referee begins to flee. Hot Sauce's teammates begins to flee. One, euphoric and blind, maybe, does a complete lap around the court. The victim's teammates get so pumped that one pounds the floor out of excitement before realizing that his friend is on the ground in a puddle, and that he probably needs help getting up. There are numerous white people in the crowd. They remain seated.
05-21-2014 , 04:33 PM
hot sauce doing the same exact dribbling routine he was doing 15 years ago. smdh.
05-21-2014 , 04:38 PM
wat, he traveled
05-21-2014 , 04:41 PM
What's good, kids?
05-21-2014 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDean1
i don't think love is top 10
catching up: wow, this is crazy to me. have significant respect for your basketball mind, but going to say that I think this is outright incorrect. Love is a really awesome NBA player imo. (not that you don't think he's elite, obviously, but just so high on what he brings to the table. his efficiency + creation + spacing are truly elite -- think his defensive and lategame issues are real but somewhat overstated, and am pretty comfortable taking him over bosh.)

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Originally Posted by TheDean1
canz on track to become the new thunder. poor brow
got a solid laugh out of Monty being a franchise centerpiece, and then immediately felt bad for Brow.

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Originally Posted by Daniel10
It's all good DI, it's just that not many big men do what TT has for a full season @ just 22 years old.

LBJ and Kyrie are so good, TT can absolutely be the 3rd best all around player on that team and win 'Ships. The role players around them just gotta role play @ that point and hit their 3s. LBJ, Kyrie, TT, and 3 point shooters/defensive specialists will do the trick.
or you could replace TT with an actual solid NBA player and form a better team.

Last edited by Das Boot; 05-21-2014 at 05:05 PM.
05-21-2014 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ludacris


from deadspin
i hate and 1 stuff so much and really dont think they should be posted in the nba thread
05-21-2014 , 05:01 PM
Ranking Love is always hard because there's the production angle, which is of course great vs. the issues with fit - his defensive and late game limitations make him a really odd player to build around considering his position and the fact he comes with a supermax deal all but guaranteed.
05-21-2014 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
i hate and 1 stuff so much and really dont think they should be posted in the nba thread
05-21-2014 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
LOOOOOOOL. Perfect.
05-21-2014 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ludacris
[youtube]epGZKNV0m3w[/youtube]

from deadspin
By golly, someone should have alerted the technicians that the play-by-play announcer and PA guy got their mic feeds mixed up.
05-21-2014 , 05:14 PM
hahhaa dying at threadzilla video
05-21-2014 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
Ranking Love is always hard because there's the production angle, which is of course great vs. the issues with fit - his defensive and late game limitations make him a really odd player to build around considering his position and the fact he comes with a supermax deal all but guaranteed.
HE DOESNT HAVE LATE GAME LIMITATIONS! HE WAS GREAT IN THE CLUTCH LAST YEAR! HIS TEAMMATES SUCKED LATE GAME!
05-21-2014 , 05:16 PM
yeah my at rim finishing still sucks.
05-21-2014 , 05:21 PM
And sethypooh wins the Internet today.
05-21-2014 , 05:33 PM
haha dave joerger as twolves coach. FLIP
05-21-2014 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by minnesotasam
What's a meat raffle?
Aren't you from Minnesota? Been away too long. It's this thing they do at bars where somebody literally comes around with some meat from a butcher shop (steaks usually, sometime pork chops) and sells tickets for $1. Then after they've sold the tickets (usually 30) they draw the winner and that person gets the meat. I would think it'd be pretty easy to fix since everyone's drunk and ldo not really paying attention.

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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
Ranking Love is always hard because there's the production angle, which is of course great vs. the issues with fit - his defensive and late game limitations make him a really odd player to build around considering his position and the fact he comes with a supermax deal all but guaranteed.
Late game limitations?
05-21-2014 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
I love how Cavs fans actually think LeBron is a possibility. So pure.

Love for Wiggins trade makes some sense, but Love+Kyrie is like the worst defense ever. Hard to build around two soft statpadders.
ya but the point is to entice lebron. hes a front runner. he doesnt study defensive advanced stats or whatever. he sees zomg 2 all stars, sign me up.
05-21-2014 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
HE DOESNT HAVE LATE GAME LIMITATIONS! HE WAS GREAT IN THE CLUTCH LAST YEAR! HIS TEAMMATES SUCKED LATE GAME!
5 minutes, 5 points or less his EFG was .43, TS was ~ .483.
05-21-2014 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Boot
catching up: wow, this is crazy to me. have significant respect for your basketball mind, but going to say that I think this is outright incorrect. Love is a really awesome NBA player imo. (not that you don't think he's elite, obviously, but just so high on what he brings to the table. his efficiency + creation + spacing are truly elite -- think his defensive and lategame issues are real but somewhat overstated, and am pretty comfortable taking him over bosh.)
I think the defensive discrepancy between him and Bosh is fairly significant.

Hbob confirmed halfway through the season that LMA + Bosh > Love and it's pretty easy to wrap my mind around this being the case. Hard to invest full faith in Love's awesome stats when it doesn't add up to wins. I don't even think it was a late game thing, think it was an Adelman thing. But whatever it was that caused the team to have an ultra sick PD + not win also caused the Wolves' players to have padded stats in low leverage situations.

So on one hand it's easy to say he has great RAPM, Win Shares, etc how much worse could he possibly be than these suggest? But then on the other hand, all of those are derived from PD, which inherently overrates the entire Timberwolves' team. So the answer is that he can be comfortably overrated by stats, since they also don't necessarily capture his defensive shortcomings and they definitely don't capture the late game shortcomings of his team.

Meanwhile Bosh's stats are deflated because Miami didn't try in the regular season. And he can also expand his role a TON offensively if ever needed to.

Still think Love is really good but I don't think he's a lock for the top 10. 11-15 seems about right.
05-21-2014 , 05:51 PM
Love is actually a fairly dependent player - only guy who is a big numbers scorer who was assisted on a higher % of FGM last year was Anthony Davis. For better or (mostly) worse late game situations involve lots of clear outs and such, which isn't really Love's best game.

Yeah, these are nits being picked, but if you're talking about emptying the tank for him you have to consider if you're getting a transcendent player or a very very good one. And if you are getting simply a very very good one, him having an odd position/skillset match makes it difficult for you because who else do you get to go with him? Who is the ideal defensive pairing with a big who neither defends the rim nor contains the PnR especially well?

At a certain point, you're adding enough talent that who cares if we have those kinds of issues. But if you're making a godfather offer for Love, you probably don't have enough talent left for that to work.
05-21-2014 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
5 minutes, 5 points or less his EFG was .43, TS was ~ .483.
Yeah but that's because many of those shots were passes to his horrible teammates

[edit] FWIW I think it's just variance.
05-21-2014 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDean1
I think the defensive discrepancy between him and Bosh is fairly significant.

Hbob confirmed halfway through the season that LMA + Bosh > Love and it's pretty easy to wrap my mind around this being the case. Hard to invest full faith in Love's awesome stats when it doesn't add up to wins. I don't even think it was a late game thing, think it was an Adelman thing. But whatever it was that caused the team to have an ultra sick PD + not win also caused the Wolves' players to have padded stats in low leverage situations.

So on one hand it's easy to say he has great RAPM, Win Shares, etc how much worse could he possibly be than these suggest? But then on the other hand, all of those are derived from PD, which inherently overrates the entire Timberwolves' team. So the answer is that he can be comfortably overrated by stats, since they also don't necessarily capture his defensive shortcomings and they definitely don't capture the late game shortcomings of his team.

Meanwhile Bosh's stats are deflated because Miami didn't try in the regular season. And he can also expand his role a TON offensively if ever needed to.

Still think Love is really good but I don't think he's a lock for the top 10. 11-15 seems about right.
This is a great point.
05-21-2014 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
ya but the point is to entice lebron. hes a front runner. he doesnt study defensive advanced stats or whatever. he sees zomg 2 all stars, sign me up.
Still can't ever be worse than when he hand-picked Delonte West.
05-21-2014 , 05:53 PM
I for one am rooting for Lebron to Cleveland just so we can have Victoar back. And George Karl to win some rangs.

      
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