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05-18-2014 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mcb33f
obviously woyas would trade for love only if he indicated he'd resign

i don't think those 4 'reported' teams are necessarily the most likely to get him or represent the best fits. just thinking of good teams that can send stuff back and still stay good off the top of my head:
  • bulls for butler+mirotic or something, bulls also have 3 additional 1sts owed in the next 2 years. to me they seem to be in a great spot to add a really good player and be a very good team going forward even if rose is done
  • okc for ibaka or a suite of youngs (jackson/adams/lamb etc)
  • raps for derozan + something
  • wiz for beal + something
  • rox for parsons + something
Dont see how Beal works, unless you move one of Gortat or NENE...Dont see him wanting to play in Toronto since he bitches about the weather in Minnesota. Love seems like the dude who is more concerned with living "the life" of an NBA star than actually excelling and being an NBA star...I dunno.

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Originally Posted by mjw0586
how did this not get loled at
I thought it was so ridiculous it had to be a bad troll. Parker might very well be the best PG in the NBA. Yes, I do believe that.
05-18-2014 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Billy Bibbit
Are teams allowed to trade for Love conditional on him signing an extension?
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93
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A player cannot be traded in an extend-and-trade after the season (for example, on draft day) in the last season of his contract, or in any season that might be the last season due to an option or ETO.
05-18-2014 , 01:34 PM
to be fair i'd swap rubio for patty in .2 secs
05-18-2014 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
breezed through it and i didnt find it persuasive in the least
I read it closely. It was poorly written and argued. Using Sam Mitchell and lionel Hollins (who will certainly get another gig, he's only sat out one season) as examples of spurned black coaches while using stotts (who is awesome) as an unsuccessful white coach getting a second chance is a bad look.

The one really good point in that article was calling out ownership for pressuring Jackson to relocate after telling him he could stay in socal when he was hired so he could continue to be a pastor at his church. That does show a fundamental lack of understanding on lacob's spot (or more likely, he totally understood and was just making a power move to set up Jackson's exit).
05-18-2014 , 01:37 PM
man parker is so insanely overrated. seems like he is by default getting credit that belongs to pop for being the centerpiece of SA's offense. patty isn't better but i don't think there would be a steep drop off in SA's performance if parker was hurt and patty had to take on a bunch of his minutes.
05-18-2014 , 01:57 PM
I would cry to see love go to the warriors, but I also don't see how flip says yes to anything the quotas have. Lee + Barnes has negative value, and lee + klay does nothing for minny at all. It has to be really good picks or cap relief or young studs.
05-18-2014 , 01:59 PM
No crying in TZ seadood.

You make a valid point though.
05-18-2014 , 02:02 PM
not during the regular season where system>talent. However, in the playoffs I think Parkers ability to take over games by penetrating and hitting those floaters consistently bailing out the offense when the shotclock runs thin is huuuuge. Spurs wouldn't have a chance to win the title with Patty taking his minutes, or even if you just reversed their minutes. I think this series will be great and Parker will triumph over Westbrook when he inevitably makes bad decision after bad decision and will be the demise of the Thunder.
05-18-2014 , 02:06 PM
id be so heated if lal gave up their first for love.

he isnt taking a team anywhere, might as well wait for free agency.
05-18-2014 , 02:11 PM
Honestly love is kind if dumb of Phoenix isn't at or near the top list imo. The system is perfect and they can give minny enough assets that don't involve players that they could easily field a 52ish win team next year and build a contender with a little luck in the center department. Lolkevinlove
05-18-2014 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by VincentVega
not during the regular season where system>talent. However, in the playoffs I think Parkers ability to take over games by penetrating and hitting those floaters consistently bailing out the offense when the shotclock runs thin is huuuuge. Spurs wouldn't have a chance to win the title with Patty taking his minutes, or even if you just reversed their minutes. I think this series will be great and Parker will triumph over Westbrook when he inevitably makes bad decision after bad decision and will be the demise of the Thunder.
parker taking floaters is great cos its bailing ppl out

russ taking jumpers cos durant is whining into his porridge is terrible decision-making. is he meant to feed steve adams in the post or what
05-18-2014 , 02:14 PM
Given the recent Love rumors, I'll try this again. Love for Dragic and Frye. Does either team have an interest? Would Phoenix have to add a pick or another player. How does each team perform next year assuming th Suns keep Bledsoe?
05-18-2014 , 02:14 PM
By who is coached Patty Mills again? I forgot
05-18-2014 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Honestly love is kind if dumb of Phoenix isn't at or near the top list imo. The system is perfect and they can give minny enough assets that don't involve players that they could easily field a 52ish win team next year and build a contender with a little luck in the center department. Lolkevinlove
Phoenix really doesn't have very good assets unless you include current players. Their picks are meh. If all the Wolves can get for Love is late lottery picks, I think they play out the year and hope for the best.
05-18-2014 , 02:20 PM
pretty sure the best is HOIBERG
05-18-2014 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
I read it closely. It was poorly written and argued. Using Sam Mitchell and lionel Hollins (who will certainly get another gig, he's only sat out one season) as examples of spurned black coaches while using stotts (who is awesome) as an unsuccessful white coach getting a second chance is a bad look.
Plus those guys were all fired for basketball reasons and Jackson appears to have been fired because he and the owner were both control freaks who couldn't get along. That's the narrative, anyway.

It's possible (but unlikely) that the owner wouldn't have had such a problem with Jackson's personality if he were white, but that's not something you'd ever be able to prove or disprove by comparing to other situations where those personality conflicts didn't exist.
05-18-2014 , 02:25 PM
I think both Thunder and Heat are undervalued right now
05-18-2014 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Yooper
Phoenix really doesn't have very good assets unless you include current players. Their picks are meh. If all the Wolves can get for Love is late lottery picks, I think they play out the year and hope for the best.
The picks are meh, but Phoenix has the ability to absorb salary without having to give back an expiring, which is hyooge for a team that's looking to rebuild. They could take love and say kmart and give back smaller salaries plus picks, which I would think a good gm would find more attractive than expiring a or a pupu platter of players worse than they are sending out.

For example phoenix could take on love/Martin, sign Bledsoe go a near max, and still have roughly 8 million to finish their roster or sign peek. It would be attractive to minny imo because they get to dump a player they signed in order to keep love there. Rather than have bloated expiring a like say a Boston would offer, they wipe their slate fairly clean and only have a couple bad contracts (brewer,bud) and they aren't even that bad.
05-18-2014 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Yooper
Phoenix really doesn't have very good assets unless you include current players. Their picks are meh. If all the Wolves can get for Love is late lottery picks, I think they play out the year and hope for the best.
one late lottery pick, the worst available. a late teens and late 20s.

lol to accept that.
05-18-2014 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jzo19
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Wow
05-18-2014 , 02:30 PM
I'm not sure of your point Scherer. Isn't that what I said?
05-18-2014 , 02:35 PM
Nice takedown piece on Westbrook:

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/...sell-westbrook

"MAD" but pretty convincing with quotes and photos.
05-18-2014 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
The picks are meh, but Phoenix has the ability to absorb salary without having to give back an expiring, which is hyooge for a team that's looking to rebuild. They could take love and say kmart and give back smaller salaries plus picks, which I would think a good gm would find more attractive than expiring a or a pupu platter of players worse than they are sending out.

For example phoenix could take on love/Martin, sign Bledsoe go a near max, and still have roughly 8 million to finish their roster or sign peek. It would be attractive to minny imo because they get to dump a player they signed in order to keep love there. Rather than have bloated expiring a like say a Boston would offer, they wipe their slate fairly clean and only have a couple bad contracts (brewer,bud) and they aren't even that bad.
I doubt Minny is just looking for late picks and cap relief. They're pretty damn good even if they didn't make the playoffs. I'd guess they either want palyer(s) that can help them win next year or a super high lottery pick. They can get cap relief in the following year by just having Love walk. So your scenario is limited value picks versus keeping Love and hoping he stays if the team perfoms well. Given that choice, I don't see them doing anything but playing out the year with Love.
05-18-2014 , 02:36 PM
You guys are making the same point imo, but you're not looking at the big picture or assuming flip is dumb which could be true. Minny is ****ed, and they should be looking for the quickest way to press the reset button and move on from Love as quickly as possible. Phoenix presents a great opportunity for them to do that imo. They will never be able to get equal talent back for Love, so they might as well try to erase previous mistakes.
05-18-2014 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Scherer716
one late lottery pick, the worst available. a late teens and late 20s.

lol to accept that.
They also have future picks and players and salary cap space. Was someone saying that the Wolves could do just the three picks for Love?

      
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