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01-30-2011 , 07:53 PM

#19726

Bitchface

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Artdogg

Detroit was a solid favorite considering how Kobe was playing (probably his worst playoffs and it was following all the trial stuff). However, if you consider what the '05 Heat did the following year, who probably would have won the series without the Wade injury, and the Pistons were basically the same team, and '04 Lakers > '05 Heat, I think the series could have been a lot different if we had Kobe from any other year.

This is the type of awful revisionist history Victor was talking about. It'd be no different than saying the Giants would be favored in a rematch of Superbowl 42 because of how their D-Line was playing that week. It's a total joke.

The trial bothered Kobe so much that he played great vs a very, very good T'Wolves and Spurs team in the two rounds prior to the finals? Cool story.

01-30-2011 , 07:55 PM

#19727

Fallen Hero

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Yes, one superbowl or two years of nba finals, exactly the same.

01-30-2011 , 07:57 PM

#19728

kidcolin

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Check the data post-sheed trade. That team was very, very good. they mighta had the best PD/SRS after acquiring sheed, but I'd have to double check.

They mainly got lucky that Cassell got hurt in the WCF and didnt have to face the t'wolves.

01-30-2011 , 07:58 PM

#19729

maximose

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bitchface

explain the next season please

01-30-2011 , 08:02 PM

#19730

mjw0586

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kidcolin

Check the data post-sheed trade. That team was very, very good. they mighta had the best PD/SRS after acquiring sheed, but I'd have to double check.

They had the 4th best SRS (better than the LOLkers) even when you're counting the entire season.

01-30-2011 , 08:04 PM

#19731

Bitchface

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They also had the easiest schedule in the NBA and one of the easiest of era and SRS is skewed by blowing out ****** teams, so there.

01-30-2011 , 08:09 PM

#19732

ClarkNasty

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TuT,

I think it's relatively obvious that a correct neutral field line for the Pats/NYG would've been like NE -1 or -1.5. No way are they even a FG favorite let alone 11 or whatever they went off as.

01-30-2011 , 08:12 PM

#19733

Bitchface

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They were also 6th in SRS the year after with a full season of Sheed. You guys can twist it all you want but the fact of the matter is, "the non-standard championship team" thing is just kinda dumb because it was a huge fluke and might not happen again in our lifetime.

01-30-2011 , 08:17 PM

#19734

ClarkNasty

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We found TuT's least favorite team!

01-30-2011 , 08:21 PM

#19735

Artdogg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bitchface

It does look like his worst year statistically.

Detroit was a really ****ing good team. They took SA to 7 the following year and could have easily won that series. That SA team was better than the '04 team who lost on the Fisher .4 second shot. Saying the '04 finals were a huge fluke is ridiculous.

01-30-2011 , 08:34 PM

#19736

Victor

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and that laker team was really ****in good too. prime shack. more developed kobe. karl malone who was still very effective on a per minute basis. his ts and and rebound% were still excellent. gary payton led the team in minutes and was still a fine player.

01-30-2011 , 08:37 PM

#19737

Fallen Hero

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that was not prime shaq, shaq wasn't the best player in his team the following year

01-30-2011 , 08:37 PM

#19738

Bitchface

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

We found Bitchface's least favorite team!

Not at all. I was strongly rooting for that team and also the following year vs. the Spurs. I consider Ben Wallace and Chauncey both hall of famers. They weren't close to as good as that Lakers team though.

01-30-2011 , 08:38 PM

#19739

Schwallie

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Classic 41 pt 0 assist loss for Kobe and the Lakers today

01-30-2011 , 08:42 PM

#19740

Artdogg

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I don't even know who's arguing against me.

01-30-2011 , 08:43 PM

#19741

Artdogg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Hero

that was not prime shaq, shaq wasn't the best player in his team the following year

I think it's fair to call any year up to 04-05 still part of Shacks prime.

01-30-2011 , 08:48 PM

#19742

SchererBoy

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

disagree completely. These guys weren't high draft picks, nor did they rate as above average in the great majority of advanced stats before Flip came to Washington. That the Wiz are trying to use them in that type of role(2nd or 3rd option pieces) is why the Wiz are so bad. They'd be much better off as bench role players imo.

What the hell does draft status have to do with how good a player can become? How else are the Wiz going to use them? Are you really blaming Flip for using what he has?

And did you mean they'd be better off as bench role players on this team, or for their personal careers? I'm assuming the latter. So if it is the latter, how can Flip get banged on for that team losing so much, when it has no talent?

01-30-2011 , 09:02 PM

#19743

All-inMcLovin

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwallie

Classic 41 pt 0 assist loss for Kobe and the Lakers today

You basically have to go out of your way to have 0 assists in the triangle.

01-30-2011 , 09:37 PM

#19744

Chilltown

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Or have Ron Artest go 1/9 and Fisher 1/6.

01-30-2011 , 09:38 PM

#19745

All-inMcLovin

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Fisher is a renowned flopper.

He deserves to go 1/6 with the calls he got in that game.

Place him in an episode of Entourage, and he's the best actor, hands down.

01-30-2011 , 09:52 PM

#19746

Assani Fisher

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SchererBoy

What the hell does draft status have to do with how good a player can become?

a lot

Quote:

How else are the Wiz going to use them? Are you really blaming Flip for using what he has?

No, my post had absolutely nothing to do with Flip

Quote:

And did you mean they'd be better off as bench role players on this team, or for their personal careers? I'm assuming the latter. So if it is the latter, how can Flip get banged on for that team losing so much, when it has no talent?

yes the latter, and again my post had absolutely nothing to do with Flip