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11-04-2010 , 06:16 AM

#5476

squashington

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EYESCREW

The biggest problem with the NBA imo is the gap between the good teams and bad teams. How does the NBA fix that without obv riogging the officiating?

get rid of toronto, cleveland, sacramento, milwaukee or some other combination of 4 teams. def toronto and sactown though.

11-04-2010 , 06:42 AM

#5477

Dschmeidreu

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Originally Posted by oldgrandma18k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZAI4I5lzQI

What an epic video.

11-04-2010 , 06:43 AM

#5478

Chilltown

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Toronto is a top half attendance team. Dream on bozo.

11-04-2010 , 06:43 AM

#5479

IrishHand

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I'd guess that "parity" isn't one of the top 5 concerns of either of the relevant players (NBA or NBAPA).

The easy answer is a hard cap though, ldo. See eg. NFL, NHL. Whether that's a good thing (that degree of parity) is up for debate - and I certainly don't think it is.

11-04-2010 , 06:46 AM

#5480

Chilltown

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Eric Bledsoe is already better than baron Davis. How embarrassing for that fat slop.

11-04-2010 , 06:58 AM

#5481

JackTrumper

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NozeCandy

NBATV: "Why are you guys 4-0 right now?"
Chris Paul: "Well, we won four games."

11-04-2010 , 07:18 AM

#5482

squashington

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Originally Posted by Chilltown

Toronto is a top half attendance team. Dream on bozo.

i mistook toronto for memphis

IH why do you dislike the hard cap model?

11-04-2010 , 07:48 AM

#5483

Jack of Arcades

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Originally Posted by IrishHand

Plus some form of un-guaranteed contracts to "protect owners from themselves!"

11-04-2010 , 08:03 AM

#5484

McBeef

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Originally Posted by tarheeljks

re: bogut dunk-- 7' dunking over 6'5. not impressed. in before homer

obvious racial homerism

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidcolin

Meh, weak point. They were all still quite elite at that point, withe the possible execption of Ray (who had just put up a crazy season in Seattle). Maybe he was just "really ****ing good" by that season. You still had 3 awesome offensive players combine to make a very good but not great offense. However they worked their tails off to be a sick, sick defense.

I think there's a couple reasons. One was KG was very zeroed in on being great defensively. He was content to settle for jumpers and save energy for the defensive end. Even still he had a solid offensive season.

The 2nd, and more important point is, none of these guys exceled at two of the important factors of offensive efficiency: TOs and ORebs. Go look at the team four factor #s. eFG% and ft/fga are both great. They were below avg on the o glass and awful with TOs.

The problem wasn't their decline. The problem was our preception on what makes a great offense. We see names like kg, pierce, Allen, and all we think is "buckets". We see Wade, bron, and bosh and we think "how do you defend that? Buckets.". But the truth is, defense in the NBA is pretty damn good and can do a decent job not giving these guys whatever they want. But chances are Wade and bron are gonna turn it over a lot like they always do, and if bosh isn't crashing glass, they're simply not going to be a crazy efficient offensive team.

The reason the lakers dominate offensively (which wasn't even the case for last year, but was very much true for the other pau years) is because they have the triangle down and keep TOs low while having the size and gumption to get after the o glass.

idk what that real talk saying means on here, but this seems like it

anyway re: the shooting debate, this this truehoop post (linked to from this hoppdata post) mentions that skill development is generally a very small part of what NBA coaching staffs do, and notes that the onus is somewhat on players to hire trainers to help them develop in the offseason or just do whatever they want. i think this supports the idea that players do not necessarily have access to the resources we assume they do in training certain areas. reinforces my belief that most nba players probably don't train their shooting anywhere near optimally

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11-04-2010 , 09:17 AM

#5485

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

Oh ****, I forgot to tell you guys that Paul texted me asking when would be a good time to do the Phoenix trip again for everyone. Of course, this was like a month ago so he may have already made plans. Regardless you guys all let me know when would be best for you and I'll get back to him.

Anytime. Come on man, be on top of this! That experience was awesome.

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Originally Posted by Victor

there used to be numbers on hoopnumbers.com but he took them down. ilardi has a spreadsheet floating around. a few others have had apm sites but they got nuked after those guys got hired.

so right now, all that i have access to is bv. bobbo could proly hook up the ilardi data if he still distributes it.

proly check apm forums on sonicscentral for moar stuff.

No he doesn't. He doesn't distribute anything

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Originally Posted by anatta

dear meb,

lol bucks.

love, anatta

lol

11-04-2010 , 09:24 AM

#5486

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Originally Posted by McBeef

obvious racial homerism

idk what that real talk saying means on here, but this seems like it

anyway re: the shooting debate, this this truehoop post (linked to from this hoppdata post) mentions that skill development is generally a very small part of what NBA coaching staffs do, and notes that the onus is somewhat on players to hire trainers to help them develop in the offseason or just do whatever they want. i think this supports the idea that players do not necessarily have access to the resources we assume they do in training certain areas. reinforces my belief that most nba players probably don't train their shooting anywhere near optimally

I remember seeing a piece on Tony Parker improving his jumpshot and he also hired a personal trainer, a guy who is now on the spurs staff, iirc.

11-04-2010 , 09:29 AM

#5487

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

LOL@ Chris Kaman being a top 10 center. Which of these players is he better than:

Dwight
P Gasol
Lopez
Horford
Duncan
Bynum
Noah
Varejao
M Gasol
Nene
Bogut

Thats 11 there.

If healthy, Oden, Yao, Okur, and Perkins are better as well. Cousins is better too, but hes only played a few games so I'll leave him off the list. Theres plenty more too who I'd probably take over him although its close....Haywood, Dalembert, Okafor, Biedrins, Shaq, etc. Then there are PFs like Amare, Camby, or Al Jefferson who could play center better than Kaman if they were to play center on their teams.

Here is the link to the starting 5 draft we did a few months ago. Chris Kaman was the 25th center taken.

Citing an all star appearance as a reason for thinking someone is good is completely laughable. According to 82games.com's simple rating, Kaman was the 5th best player on a 29 win team last year. According to basketballvalue he had a negative 1 yr APM and 2 yr APM. He is quite inefficient(52.7% TS), hes not a good defender(20.1 PER put up by opposing centers while he is on the floor), and hes average at best at rebounding and passing. But because he shoots a lot and puts up 18+ points fans like you vote him into the All-Star game.

beating a dead horse, but still good post. all true

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Originally Posted by aejones

i remember back when he was at stanford they had a segment on how brevin knight's dad only let him dribble a tennis ball and shoot a volleyball until he was 15.

my pops used to tell me you should only be shooting from a distance of "one + your age" if you want to keep shooting with proper form. luckily that means i can start bombing them from 24 feet now.

ah, this is great. i'll utilize the 1+ rule.

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Originally Posted by tbach24

Also, I'm making a playlist for a girl, here's what I got so far:

Weezer- Across the Sea
Coldplay- Your Love Means Everything to Me
Bob Dylan- Don't think twice, it's alright
Vampire Weekend- Campus

Also, got some pretty hilarious stories, I'll fill you all in sometime.

CSB

Quote:

Originally Posted by anatta

96 in a row is pretty sick greear.

anatta shot 82% from the line was pretty good at it from all the 21 he played growing up. still could go out there and count dribbles 1-2-3-4-5 put it in at decent clip.

true glory days ft tale anatta's jr high school fed into 3 high schools and we were all rivals since we knew each other and anatta played one rival at home with the second rival having a lot of fans since they were off. we were down by 2 with 8 second our point guard newphew to original clyde the glide took it up and found anatta who did the larry bird turn around. missed got fouled 1 second left. true story. they call time. now anatta only had 6 points been in foul trouble but hit his last 2 jumper so knew he was hot. anatta was smiling walking to bench shaking his head at the other bench laughing. serio laughin man. anatta couldnt believe they bailed him out and fouled him and he knew knew he was gonna hit the fts. anatta goes to line. the fans from the other school, on our home court, chanting CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE for real man. anatta hits em both all net backpedals and points to heckling fans not looking just pointing. we go into ot, outscore them 4-0 and the next day richmond times dispatch said anatta calmly hit 2 shots to send game into OT and 2 more in ot to lead the homestanding chief over their rivals... man cool story bro if anatta ever heard one.

Great story

11-04-2010 , 09:39 AM

#5488

BobboFitos

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Originally Posted by C-Viggity

I love it, it suits them much better obviously, but my Dad probably coulda figured that out last year and he hates the NBA and was my church basketball coach and we lost every game that year. Mike Woodson was just that bad. See the playoffs: Joe Johnson

Defense is the problem. Hawks are gonna be one of the best offensive teams in the NBA

lol church league

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjw0586

Bucks pregame guys said the Bucks are planning on crowding Rondo rather than playing way off him like everyone does. Interested to see how Rondo plays tonight.

jennings is also a good defender. but, 17/15. ouch! (although he did have 6 TOs)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NozeCandy

OT: Bobbo sister twitter

lol, i didn't even know she had twitter

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidcolin

would you say he's currently swimming upstream?

vn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDj7DuHVV9E

Quote:

Originally Posted by NozeCandy

Another solid win for Hornets. Chris Paul came up lightly limping on his usual knee, but stayed in and made like 6 garbage time FTs after so who knows. If he's out for the Heat game on Friday it's going to be super lame.

dont take this the wrong way, but it'll prolly be super lame regardless

11-04-2010 , 09:46 AM

#5489

BobboFitos

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Originally Posted by tbach24

After 5 wins against poor opposition: 5-0. Who am I?

lolkers?

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Originally Posted by Dyenimator

[x] content

[x] not using checkboxes right

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

Nikoloz Tskitishvili did not have a very good year in 2002-03

thanks jetto

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

Gotta be the GOAT 2P2 farewell post.

nice job, seriously

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

how is that any worse than whatever unreadable stuff anatta posts?

Anatta's posts are awesome, I sincerely think you should reread what he writes. it's worth it

Quote:

Originally Posted by GooseHinson

How can you not see the awesomeness in posts like these CDL? This is easily my favorite post in the last 20 pages (expert 100ppp).

He's right though, I was once like you. It took about a season or so for me to realize anatta's brilliance. You too will soon be enlightened.

yeah i loved the line about how clark is like his dad, but he doesn't hit him. i mean LOL!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artdogg

Stuckey not living up to the massive GREEAR hype from 2007-08

yeah it sucks when you cant shoot yet insist on shooting a lot

11-04-2010 , 09:51 AM

#5490

BobboFitos

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Originally Posted by NozeCandy

My brother is a Pistons fan and he wrote on my wall before the season started asking why Ben Wallace was still on the team. It made me sad to tell him that, relative to that roster, Wallace isn't bad and that, considering his contract he was actually one of the better assets on that roster. Thankfully he doesn't have too much time to watch basketball.

Ben Wallace is def their most productive player, he could play for a lot of teams. He still has it

Quote:

Originally Posted by EYESCREW

The biggest problem with the NBA imo is the gap between the good teams and bad teams. How does the NBA fix that without obv riogging the officiating?

it's not really an issue. who cares if there are some bottom feeding teams? i dont want every team to be .500

Quote:

Originally Posted by NozeCandy

Chris Paul leading the league in PER (33.0), almost 5 whole points over second place joker Kobe (28.1). NBA Champs incoming.

cp3 is pretty balla

Quote:

Originally Posted by NozeCandy

NBATV: "Why are you guys 4-0 right now?"
Chris Paul: "Well, we won four games."

lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by squashington

get rid of toronto, cleveland, sacramento, milwaukee or some other combination of 4 teams. def toronto and sactown though.

why milwaukee? or toronto? good fan bases

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chilltown

Toronto is a top half attendance team. Dream on bozo.

this. even w terrid teams, ppl show up. good franchise, they just need a new gm and new coach.

Quote:

Originally Posted by squashington

i mistook toronto for memphis

IH why do you dislike the hard cap model?

yeah, memphis and sactown would be my cuts, if forced.

11-04-2010 , 09:55 AM

#5491

Jack of Arcades

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Originally Posted by Fallen Hero

I remember seeing a piece on Tony Parker improving his jumpshot and he also hired a personal trainer, a guy who is now on the spurs staff, iirc.

Yeah, but this really only improved Tony P's midrange game. He still doesn't have much of a 3pt shot.

It's important for a scoring pg like him to be able to knock down a midrange J for the pnr.

11-04-2010 , 10:07 AM

#5492

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man Cousins is going to be a star kid has it all attitude skills no fear wants it pretty awesome to see this kid Cousins is going to be a star

11-04-2010 , 10:09 AM

#5493

C-Viggity

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Al Horford is awesome

11-04-2010 , 10:16 AM

#5494

NameOnTheCake

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Originally Posted by GREEAR10

I didn't even notice this during the game, but apparently Stuckey refused to go back into the game tonight lol....All while JoeD is working on an extension for him. JoeD is so ****ing lost he may never be found again. How long does it take until the sale of a team can be official??? Illitch needs to get in here and fire this fat stupid **** before he gives Tayshaun a 6 year 95 million dollar deal or something.

Detroit is so ****ed. Neck and neck with the KHANS for worst record

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Originally Posted by GREEAR10

Ben Wallace should go to the Heat.

81-1 if that happens

I want to bet on Howard winning the mvp, anyone know what the current odds are? I'm at work and can't check

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...side01&y2=2011