OK, Massive Multi-Quote here.
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Originally Posted by NameOnTheCake
when Minny doesn't get any worse with Anthony Randloph playing Kevin Love's minutes, will it be an indictment against Love or just show that AR is also a top 10 NBA player?
It would obviously damage our argument. That said, they've been slightly worse without Love, as they're -8.0 in 2 games w/o and -5.8 w/. We'll see how the rest of the year plays out though.
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
assani
whats to stop you from making any claim you want and backing it up with "i checked keiths $tats"?
Geoff, I don't recall if you were a heavy volume poster at this point in the year, but nowhere in the argument did either Assani or me fall back on that as a crutch.
The only thing stopping us from doing that, basically, is the fact it's a rotten argument and should get trounced on.
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Originally Posted by D104
IMO kbfc is possibly the best and worst thing to happen to TZ
Sincere question, how is this bad at all?
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Originally Posted by MEbenhoe
Assani,
The problem I had with the Kevin Love debate was this:
I admittedly came in late, but I asked you for an explanation of what you based your claim on that Kevin Love had been the best player so far in the season and you kinda circled around the issue and eventually just said well I don't know how anyone can look at his overall stats, etc and not see it. I proceeded to list out a bunch of publicly available data that you would be likely to use and none of it would lead any sensible person to say that Love was the #1 player by simply showing that there was no logical leap that could be made from public data to make anyone think he'd been better than Lebron/Wade/HGH/CP3. At that point the goalposts were shifted to well he's at least in the discussion as a top 10 player this season or whatever, and you/bobbo continued to berate people to "show their work" essentially while providing no solid data of your own.
I think Assani commented on this, but the bold is absurd. Assani posted 50-100 independent posts putting forth his argument, and I added some banter along the way.
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
But don't his stats benefit hugely from playing on that bad team?
Edit: would a team like Boston or LA be as good if you replaced KG/Pau with KLove?
I don't know. KG and Pau are really, really good. Like, top 10-15 good. Basically, I think you could swap Love for either of those guys and not really expect much if any change either positively or negatively.
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
assani what do you think of anthony randolph?
pretty elite rebounder huh?
I'm going to address this, since I don't know where you're coming from -
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...randoan01.html
Dude has a 14.0 TRB% while in Minnesota. (16.7 TRB% career, over ~2300 minutes) For a PF, average is just under 14.0 TRB%, so he's probably a slightly positive rebounder.
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/rebounding_no_fts
Adjusted rebounding actually has him as a slightly negative rebounder, so go figure.
He's a young guy who was oddly buried on D'antoni's bench (really could've been useful to them) and has promise. He's not a bad player.
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Originally Posted by mjw0586
This is something I think Bobbo does a lot better than you. He breaks down the numbers very well and shows how valuable a particular player is per possession. I don't necessarily agree with his conclusions or methodology all the time, but it provides an awesome framework with which to develop an even better methodology.
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Thanks Mjw.
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Originally Posted by Dyenimator
You're the one who brought up any sort of discussion on a "preconceived notion", not me. I'm not aware of any "preconceived notions", as it would be hard of someone to be able to quantify their own thoughts in this manner. How did you reach the conclusion that I have this "notion" about Love?
And yes, his defensive APM is negative.
I think kbfc pointed this out, but that isn't DAPM. That's unadjusted on/off numbers. Also, a negative DAPM is actually a good thing.
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Originally Posted by JeffMaggert
Zach Randolph > Kevin Love
discuss
Yeah, they're on the same tier, ZBo is probably slightly better.
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
meh, it's pretty true. "Being right" might not be his end goal, but being the smartest **** in the room who regularly lets you know it is a pretty big part of it. Especially when he's moody and he frames all his posts "errr.... <point>" or "ummm, no, <point>".
wtf did I do to you lately?