it tilts me that d.rose brings the ball up the court and gets the offense moving so damn slow sometimes. he's like the anti-nash when it comes to getting the offense going quickly

Hate is such a strong word.

My 6 teams would be Memphis/Minnesota/Toronto/NJ/Atlanta/Sacto

And I'd love for 6 to get contracted. The league wouldn't be so watered down.

last time TOR made the playoffs. that place was slammin

Does anyone feel if you contracted these teams that people would start talking about the problem of parity and mediocrity in the league? Cuz people seem to not like either and kinda seems like its gotta be somewhere on the spectrum..

Horford is such a beast.

I hope he gets the chance to play on a contender one day.

A lot of these teams are probably perfectly viable as is, let alone whatever concessions the players have to make in the next CBA.

Kings need to be moved to more likely. Pacers also.

Hawks, Wizards less likely imo.

I tend to agree with this. The teams that suck for long periods of time suck for reasons that have little to do with market size. That's not to say that LA/NY as well as Florida (and other states with no local income tax?) don't have some advantages, but the teams that have been consistently ****** have made consistently ****** moves in the draft/trades/FA.

can someone explain to me all the hoopla concerning brewer? i was pretty sure he sucked for the wolves, and everyone knew it, but all of a sudden he gets cut and he's this great commodity??

lol sethy you my friend are a ****ing moron. the pistons are 100% in the "never will be contracted"

instead you have them in the "likely contraction targets"

you do realize when the sale of the team goes through we are going to build a new arena downtown? do you know anything in regards to the pistons or do you just like to post random ******** with no merit?

someone took down the LOL SETHY thread? bs

I didn't mention the Pistons one way or another, chief.

This venom should be directed at me and not seth. And I already admitted my likely mistake wrt the pistons so no worries.

I don't understand this. Miami does not have good fan support - even with this current team they fail to sell out, which is ludicrous. (And they've generally been good the past 20 years!) San Antonio is the epitome of a small market team doing it right.

If you had to make a list of the top NBA cities, it's a combination of history, being run well, huge city, etc. Basically, LA, Boston, NY, Chicago, Dallas. Interestingly enough, if they have "ESPN[your city]", it's a top tier market.

NJ until the move to Brooklyn was the most likely team to get contracted, fwiw. Anyway, obviously none of these teams are contraction candidates, even though they may not be perfect.

You do know the Kings are currently the #1 team spoken about being contracted/relocated?

As I see it, the bottom 4 w/ Sacto/Charlotte are the weakies of the league.

So revised list:

Teams that Absolutely would never be contracted

1. LA Lakers
2. Boston Celtics
3. New York Knicks
4. Chicago Bulls
5. Miami Heat
6. Dallas Mavericks
7. Portland Trailblazers
8. San Antonio Spurs


Teams really unlikely to be contracted

1. Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Utah Jazz
3. Orlando Magic
4. Oklahoma City Thunder
5. Denver Nuggets
6. Philadelphia 76ers
7. New Jersey Nets
8. Phoenix Suns
9. Golden State Warriors
10. Houston Rockets
11. LA Clippers
12. Toronto Raptors
13. Detroit Pistons
14. Washington Wizards

Possible Contraction Targets

1. Indiana Pacers
2. Charlotte Bobcats
3. Atlanta Hawks
4. Sacramento Kings

Top Contraction Targets

1. New Orleans Hornets
2. Milwaukee Bucks
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Memphis Grizzlies

got you confused with MEB dude, my bad.

i guess it's because that dude is a MOD and someone like me doesn't really know who he is. how are you that meanginless of a poster/contributor when you're a MOD?

huge ****ing moron though, for sure. Indiana is never going anywhere either.

Toronto sells out. They love the Raptors, strangely. It's a strong, strong sports city.

Miami in the never going to be contracted list? lol really? If in 5 years bron/wade are gone and the team is ****** i can see them averaging 4k fans a night and leaving Miami.

There arena looks empty at games now ffs.....

again, move Detroit to the never going anywhere list and move Indiana to it also.

Miami and San Antonio are the #7 and #9 highest valued franchises in the NBA.

Indy is in a similar spot to Charlotte in that college is much bigger than pro from a hoops standpoint, and so there are at least questions as to whether they are top line markets. Seattle should have a team over those two, same with KC, Vegas and possibly San Diego, imo.

Detroit I can buy. Indiana is 27th in the NBA in franchise value, 29th in average attendance and 27th in attendance by capacity. In a must contract 6 teams situation like the hypothetical I started with, Indiana is definitely high on the list.

Indiana just seems like it has too much tradition to move. Didn't know they were doing so poorly in attendance.

Don't count your team sales before they hatch. Hornets had a top 10 richest owner in the league as a "done deal" like 6 months ago. ****ing sigh.

Not sure where you got this idea from. They're averaging 83.2% attendance and have never been in the top 10 in the NBA by attendance/capacity. However, I did move them into the really unlikely category after discussion.

And that is what this is after all a discussion. People throwing out some really angry opinions on this for a reason I'm not really aware of.

edit: probably just me reading tone stronger than intended.