I don't feel like doing the advanced math, but that's pretty good no?

the stats show the opposite. particularly, why are his assists down? why is wade not even on the list for clutch pts/48? why are the only 2 miami players on the list for clutch +/- bosh and labron and why are they way the hell down the list, as opposed to the last 2 years when the top of the list was dominated by cavs players?

to be clear, all indications are that the cavs team "actually contributed" moar than this miami team.

its not remotely close to the slurpadurp yall are falling over yourselves to dispense.

ZOMG holding labron SLIGHTLY BELOW HIS AVERAGES, GOAT LABRON STOPPER MELOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Since the Melo trade..

Knicks SOS .429 - Point Diff - +2.3/game
Nuggets SOS .610 - Point Diff - +8.6/game

Just saying....

samplesizaments

My kobe hate is starting to heat up again. Was trying to pick up this frenchy chick, she said she liked kobe....i stopped and ran away! Am i doing it right?

also knicks out in first round prob...maybe second....im from nyc

Yup. Lakerfan be brushin it off, Knick fan be tellin you to lick their ass after a big regular season win. Then get mad bc their team got flamed.

Hey, they're going to be on nat. tv again Thursday night. Isn't that like 4/5 games since making the trade? Or maybe it's 4/4? Too bad it's against Utah.

I have this funny feeling the seeding is going to be cs, bulls, heat, magic. And that the magic upset the cs wo perk, while the bulls rape the heat. Then the bulls rip asunder the magic en route to the finals where they're a fave. Ugh, I'm literally shuddering

Bulls only win if they get home court, granted this looks a lot better than it did a couple weeks ago but they are massive aids on the road and Miami will manage to win 1 of 3 on the road vs them

For the most part Knicks fans = Yankees fans = Giants fans

Already insufferable imo, and no that doesn't mean every single NY fan is insufferable, just a large majority. There are some reasonable 2p2 NY fans for example.


saying things like this perhaps:


I think Denver and NY are quite close, and its certainly not "idiotic" either way.


This post really comes across as you looking for a reason to complain imo.....I barely have heard anyone saying these things.


because they lost a close game to a decent team over the course of an 82 game regular season....again this comes across as you reaching for a reason to complain imo. Its not that people are hating on the Knicks; Its that they're simply rather indifferent about one regular season win. You don't have to take that indifference as disrespect.

i have this logical feeling that, no

Assani didn't do a very good job coaching the Heat down the stretch last night.

the rest of your post is fine, this seems really strange to me though

The braintrust think Nene is the best offensive player of all-time.

Denver is a deep team with a lot of quality players. Yes its true that you need superstars usually to compete for a title, but since neither of these teams are title contenders this year, its irrelevant. Their roster is filled with guys who are positive players.

NY, on the other hand, has way more championship equity over the next few years since they have these "superstar" pieces in place(and more importantly can go after CP3 or Dwight). But they are not deep after the trade at all.

I saw the post trade record/SOS posted above. Its obviously "lol sample size" though. But considering Denver was better pre-trade, got quality players in return, and has been better post trade, why is it "idiotic" to think that Denver and NY are close?

Denver was better pre-trade and lost their two best players. In return they got a guy that was never any good through out his career (except for a couple of months early in the season), and a few decent pieces.
So yeah, it's a little idiotic to say that, and you even mentioned in your post that NY is a better team.

Gallo tho

Gallo sucks.

espn is saying that bibby is giving up his whole 6.2 million salary next year, seems mind numbingly dumb financially but for this year he can win a title. i guess we can pencil him into the heats lineup?

He only is giving up about $3.1 million after taxes/agent.

And winning a championship.. is Priceless, so Priceless.

Well, he also gets to hit the market this summer and sign a new deal, so it's not like he's losing $6.2 million.

FYP

agreed


Nene has been significantly better than Chauncey in 1yr APM, 2 yr APM, simple rating, PER, OWS, DWS, ORtg, and DRtg this year. Do you think its possible that you've made a mistake in your analysis of these two players?

I also think Ty Lawson has been better than Billups this year, although I recognize the difference between playing against starters and playing against backups(although metrics that adjust for this still favor Lawson) so I won't go out of my way to argue for this here.


In other words, they traded an elite scorer, they traded a starting PG who may have been getting outplayed by his backup, and in return they got some solid players who have decent value. Considering they were the #1 ranked offense, I'm not sure that having an elite scorer like Melo doesn't have some diminishing returns on that team. Its not crazy to think that this trade actually made them better. So far in a ridiculously small sample size, the results would agree with this notion.


To say that your argument has left me unconvinced would be an understatement.


I did???

billups was over his career averages in basically every statistic, and while he's not the defender he once was, surely sucking at D is a bigger problem for Nene (or does that only apply to Amare?). Either way, fine, take Nene as the Nuggets second best player, Billups has still been very good.


You haven't said anything that even slightly tries to prove this theory, other than mention that an elite scorer being a part of a #1 ranked offense has diminishing returns (please point to examples of highly ranked offenses without elite scorers, for bonus points mention which of these offenses would be better without said scorers).


you said neither was a title contender but that NY is closer.