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03-03-2010 , 01:37 PM

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Blair isn't a very good defender and can't space the floor like Bonner.

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03-03-2010 , 01:37 PM

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had a bunch of posts quoted and my browser crashed =(

gist was:

oden is awesome, and does have MVP potential if he can ever play a full season. Bobbo is def bobboing with the Oden > Lebron stuff

Vic is right to complain about Lebron not getting calls. He gets the shaq treatment b/c of his physical dominance

Bill Walker is indeed the tits, and will be looked at as a huge draft steal

It seems like if you're going to get value late in the draft injured guys are one way. Also, 3/4 year college SG/SFs that dominated in college and can shoot the lights out but don't have the greatest measureables.

TZ was on fire last night

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03-03-2010 , 01:39 PM

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Bobbo is def bobboing with the Oden > Lebron stuff

wait wtf he said this???

yea bobbo is def the skip bayless of threadzilla

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03-03-2010 , 01:43 PM

#72454

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wait wtf he said this???

yea bobbo is def the skip bayless of threadzilla

Played tight for an hour. I folded mostly, and then I made a score.- Wired aces or kings? - Rags. I had nothing. But he raised. And I just decided, you know, I don't care about the money. I'm just gonna outplay the guy. I'm just gonna outplay this guy this hand. - I re-raised. - Re-raise. - You played right back at him, huh? - Oh, yeah. And he just comes right back over the top of me, trying to bully me like I'm some ****ing tourist. I hesitate for two seconds. I re-raised. And he makes a move toward his checks, and he looks at me. And he looks at his cards, and he looks at me again. And he mucked it. I took it down.

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03-03-2010 , 01:45 PM

#72455

EPiPeN11

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well at least by constantly spewing off rounders quotes u can't make anymore ******ed basketball posts

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03-03-2010 , 01:45 PM

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Blair might not be great defensively, but his standing reach is incredible (longer than Blake Griffin's), gtfo with the height stuff.

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03-03-2010 , 01:48 PM

#72457

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fitting that you'd quote the worst scene in the entire film as a response to Oden > Lebron

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03-03-2010 , 01:48 PM

#72458

EPiPeN11

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Blair might not be great defensively, but his standing reach is incredible (longer than Blake Griffin's), gtfo with the height stuff.

yea as prob the biggest person on standing reach > height i feel ashamed I brought up his height

but blair's standing reach is not incredible (incredible for his size sure but far from incredible for a PF). Also Blake Griffin's standing reach is undersized for a PF (so I dunno what that proves) but hes so athletic/good on offense he will make up for it.

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03-03-2010 , 01:48 PM

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well at least by constantly spewing off rounders quotes u can't make anymore ******ed basketball posts

He trapped me!

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03-03-2010 , 01:50 PM

#72460

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It looks like he's calling the posts ******ed, not you. Borderline but still within the rules imo. That's how e-peen rolls when he's not busy getting fatter.

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03-03-2010 , 01:50 PM

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Q: how do you play tight for an hour at a limit game w/10 bets in front of you and nothing in your pocket?

A: MATT DAMON

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03-03-2010 , 01:50 PM

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I notice Epipen seemingly getting more and more agitated as the season has rolled on. I guess hope goes away pretty quickly when you lose to the Nets at home and struggle vs Pistons. The only real reason people consider them a contender is because they won before. Other than that, why are they a better contender than the Hawks or several other teams. Lakers on other hand just destroy teams when they finally get into Lake Show mode (see 3rd quarter vs Pacers).

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03-03-2010 , 01:51 PM

#72463

EPiPeN11

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wait did bobbo really report that post?

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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03-03-2010 , 01:53 PM

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Speel Posher

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pay that man his money

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03-03-2010 , 01:53 PM

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"Reported." would be a sweet undertitle for Bobbo

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03-03-2010 , 01:54 PM

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"Reported." would be a sweet undertitle for Bobbo

used to be hit and run artist. was great and had a great story behind it. i wonder when that went away?

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03-03-2010 , 01:55 PM

#72467

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He trapped me!

lol

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"Reported." would be a sweet undertitle for Bobbo

Let's hear it Robert.

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03-03-2010 , 01:55 PM

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I meant Blair's standing reach is incredible for his height. And he has a 7'2 wingspan, which is unreal for 6'6/6'7. That's Tayshaun length

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03-03-2010 , 01:55 PM

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I notice Epipen seemingly getting more and more agitated as the season has rolled on. I guess hope goes away pretty quickly when you lose to the Nets at home and struggle vs Pistons. The only real reason people consider them a contender is because they won before. Other than that, why are they a better contender than the Hawks or several other teams. Lakers on other hand just destroy teams when they finally get into Lake Show mode (see 3rd quarter vs Pacers).

they havent been healthy either. i dont know where it was, but somebody posted stats when healthy, the celtics have the best starting 5 in the league, or something like that.

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03-03-2010 , 01:57 PM

#72470

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This thread has really been killin it lately

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03-03-2010 , 02:00 PM

#72471

tarheeljks

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hmm idk what game i'm thinking of then

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03-03-2010 , 02:01 PM

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Some thoughts on identifying lineup strength... (It's my new fascination, as people may be able to tell) Maybe this will reopen some league discussion, maybe it's boring and people will breeze by, but who knows, this is my attempt at actual NBA talk. (Ala Irishhand)

1. Are the Celtics still contenders?

I think so. The main cause for joy, I suppose, is that their 5some {Rondo, Ray, PP, KG, Perk} has been together now for 2+ seasons, and during this time, has absolutely destroyed other starting lineups. This year they sit at +14.5 over a very large sample (767+ minutes). This highlights the fact their bench has been a weakness, and when any ONE of their main guys is missing they perform much worse, but even if it's believed to be true - that they're just waiting for the playoffs - that lineup logging significant playoff minutes (1/2 a game together or so) makes them contenders.

2. Is Phoenix holding itself back?

This is a strange question,... but basically the Suns have 3 lineups that have played a significant number of meaningful minutes:
Nash-JRich-Dudley-Stoudemire-Frye
Nash-JRich-Hill-Stoudemire-Frye
Nash-JRich-Hill-Stoudemire-Lopez

They started the season with Frye at center, and the past month or so have been using Lopez. I don't understand why, though - although Lopez has been playing better, the 1st starting lineup (Frye > Lopez) is a very solid +5.2 over a large sample vs starting units. This is a very successful lineup. The move from Frye to Lopez, however, has brought the unit to a -1 over a significant amount of time. Can the entire 6pt swing be attributed to Lopez? Well, the lack of the extra outside shooter (coupled with Hill's inability to stretch the floor, I think) is seen in the offensive data.

That said, it seems like the 1st unit mentioned (Studley starting over Hill) seems to be above and beyond their other options - it's a startling +17.5! I don't know the circumstances for when Hill has been out, (Dudley has 1 start) and it could just be a team thing, but that lineup has played a NOT-insignificant amount of minutes and has done well. At this point in his career, maybe Hill is better suited for the 6th man role? (Especially as Dudley is a better defender AND 3pt shooter, the 2 things the starting lineup needs most)

3. Who should be the starting PG in Toronto: Jose Calderon or Jarrett Jack?

The data points toward Jose Calderon. I know it's weird to backtrack like this, and the Raptors *have* done well as Jack as their starter, but it's not because of their starting 5. They have 2 heavily used lineups...
PGa - DeRozan - Turk - Bosh - Barg +2
PGb - DeRozan - Turk - Bosh - Barg -11.2

The answer sorta gives away which PG is which, but hey, that's a huge difference. I wonder if they move back to their starting day lineup.

4. Of the bottom East teams who will make the playoffs, (5-9) which team has the best chance to do damage in the playoffs? (Based on lineup concentration strength)

The answer is actually none of them. Yeah, kinda a **** tease, but the best lineups of Mil/Chi/Mia/Cha/Tor are owned by Chicago. Or, were owned by Chicago - unfortunately for Chicago 2 of their 4 heavily used positive lineups had Salmons in them. The lack of wing depth by trading Salmons is actually somewhat exposed, not because Salmons is that good, but because the options behind him are so bad. Their new starting lineup {Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Gibson, Noah} is not bad, but it's only +1.5. It's played an OK amount of minutes, and frankly, it's the type of lineup that gets you in the playoffs... Only to get raped in the 1st round.

The other team that's worth mentioning is the Heat, but they, too, may have made a tactical error:
Midway through the season they demoted Chalmers for Arroyo, then signed Alston and promoted him to the starting lineup. Although in the past Alston has been significantly better than either player, he's regressed mightily this year (age?) and it's shown in the +/-. Basically, Chalmers-Wade-QRich-Beasley-O'Neal was a +5.2 team (pretty good starting lineup) but when they inserted Alston for Chalmers, they drop to -1.7. Again, probably not all of the blame can be attributed to Alston, but it seems they run much smoother offensively with Chalmers. (Perhaps Alston's super errant 3pt shooting has cost them quite a bit, although they're a slightly better defensive team with Rafer > Chalmers)

5. Are there any surprise contenders out there?

I think the San Antonio Spurs are very much still a title threat. The Spurs have had 3 problems this year, and it's been evident in their lineup concentration:
1. Tony Parker has played with an injured foot, and it's sapped him of his speed. Since he relies on his speed for his offense, he's no longer elite, and in fact, a detriment.
2. Richard Jefferson has played awfully, but is now no longer in the starting lineup.
3. They've gone small a bit, due to injuries amongst their bigs. (Bonner and McDyess, mostly)

It seems Pop has started to figure this all out. Even though it's with smaller sample sizes (limited minutes) the Spurs have 3 great ("great" being double digit positive) lineups. The 3 involve Duncan and either McDyess or Bonner at the 4. Lastly, the lineups that really hurt the Spurs involved Jefferson at the 4. (Either Blair or Duncan as the 5 man)

I think you'll see the Spurs start to climb the standings as they're able to use a tighter big rotation + Parker gets healthy.

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Originally Posted by Speel Posher

they havent been healthy either. i dont know where it was, but somebody posted stats when healthy, the celtics have the best starting 5 in the league, or something like that.

thats the post. anyway, they do have the best starting 5, but the lakers are pretty damn close. (and have a better bench)

atlanta's lineup with crawford instead of marvin or bibby is marginally better too, and the new Mavs lineup MIGHT be better but needs to play more possessions together.

but i do think it's safe to say the Cs starting 5 is the best in the biz.

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03-03-2010 , 02:02 PM

#72473

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Macy gray "I try" is such a good song

Don't let them hate Bobbs

I TRY TO SAY GOODBYE AND I CHOKE
TRY TO WALK AWAY AND I STUMBLE
THO I TRY TO HIDE IT
ITS CLEAR
MY WORLD CRUMBLES WHEN YOU ARE NOT THERE

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03-03-2010 , 02:03 PM

#72474

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A bunch of the reason posts had me laughing out loud. Could just be I'm a little delirious from being up all night and it's 1pm.

Bobbo/Epi trolling each other is great. Bobbo's reporting of posts is just really funny to me for some reason.

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