Leon Powe

Maybe Shavlik?



Good bigs are just too valuable


EDIT: Assuming you mean bigs that are FAs right now

+1111111111111111

Also Victor, regarding Z.....even if you get him back in mid March-- the dude is like 50 years old, you really have to hope he's working out right now everyday, or he's going to be in DREADFUL shape when he comes back and will be of little to no help after like 40 days off including all star break.

powe is a 4. he is like 6 inches shorter than z. powe cant shoot a midrange jumper or corner 3. cant run the pnr. has no repoire with the team. etc etc.

So, the things that can't be replaced with Z:

1) His size
2) His amazing quickness on defense
3) His awesome 12.9 per
4) His 7pts/4rebs a game


Problems with Jamison:

1) Washed up
2) Old
3) Overrated
4) Just put up better numbers than Varejao or Z has all season, and kept us in the game offensively for the first half of the 3rd, which neither of them has done all season.

we are so doomed.

6th for sure.

How will we ever replace Z's ****ty numbers and 15 minutes a game. WHAT WILL WE DO.

this is a good point and another reason to hate the trade. z will need a bit of time to shake the rust out. he started very slow due to his new roll off the bench but he was coming around and had been playing good ball the last couple months.

the positives is that for the last 5 years z has noticeable worn down at the end of the season and esp in the playoffs. mebbe his lack of mileage this year will keep him fresh in the playoffs and he will better contribute.

He's got a 7'2 wingspan, standing reach of 6'11. He can play minutes at the 5. More importantly, if he's healthy he gives the Cavs more big man depth which is the biggest void Z leaves.

you are making things up. and its more than numbers. jamison provides bulk scoring and crap defense. we already have plenty of scoring, so that is redundant. and his scoring is not as good as lebrons so its actually a negative at times.

and of course the problems he causes on defense are the real issue and the reason the team is worse.

ya powe will help. just not in a similar way to z. powe will get more offensive boards and loose balls and finish off helter skelter plays. proly better at defending pnr and quicker players.

if healthy.

Pretty overlooked part of this trade imo. At least amare is super bulk scoring, could potentially be an ok defender, and would look awesome next to bron

HE SCORES MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN Z. Stop saying "bulk scoring" and being ******ed. If he started shooting too much, he would be told to stop. It isn't his team, it is LeBrons. His more-effective-than-Z scoring isn't going to be a big problem.

I mean seriously, you have been trolling about the Cavs for a full week. Anyone else would get banned for constantly trolling.

Start providing some evidence or I'm just going to start reporting your posts. Why is he horrible at defense? What numbers support this? AND more importantly, why are you acting like Z is a defensive savior? He can barely even move laterally.

is powe going to be able to play?

Yes Victor is getting super old with this crap. Like you trolling the Cavs is funny. His is just getting annoying, and I'm going to start reporting posts. Just making up stuff with no numbers and horrible analysis is fine. Doing it all week is usually something that gets you banned or told to stop. But since he is doing it on his own team, people are just looking over it.

Yea he has been ready for like a month. Was going to play today, coach said he wanted one more practice though and he is slated for Tuesday

no no no no no no no NO

P.S. you bolded one thing and said I was making things up. The one you bolded was a sarcastic statement about Z actually being quick on defense.

I'm not sure if you are trying to say I'm making up that Z is slow or what? I mean is he a super fast lateral guy that is awesome at defense or something now a days?

i mean, ive said it about 10 times now. its not even that z is a great defender. he is just adequate enough to let andy play the 4, and shaq not play as many minutes and be aggressive when stupid guards try to attack the rim.

thats it. thats the most important issue here. theres some other stuff but that is primarily why the cavs are worse. jamison provides no help in this category. in fact he hurts it a lot. as shown by av getting shelled the last 3 games.

No you are right. He would've been an awesome defender. Obvious dynasty.

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Until next year when he signs with someone else so he can be the star of a team.

no its just that ive never claimed z was quick or even a great defender. hes just huge and experienced and gets the job done enough that things dont fall apart when shaq is out.

i dunno, i doubt amare would be worse at the 5, than jamison is at the 4. and 5s are more scarce so that in and of itself is value.

There is like zero question in my mind that Jamison is/will be a better defender for the Cavs than Amare would have. The charge he drew but the reffed ****ed up the call on Howard? Amare tries to make a highlight reel block and ends up in the basket with the ball, and 1, because he doesn't seem Howard making his move until DH12 is at the rim.

We just talked about Powe fixing all the problems you mentioned at first.

So are you going to quit then?

I mean you fail to mention the fact that Jamison brings a ****load of stuff to the table that we have never had before. But you are stuck on the thing that Varejao somehow just magically sucks(3 game sample) and can't play UNLESS he plays the 4.

You're analysis is just getting worse. It's like you are so caught up on the fact that Z's marginal defense is so much more amazing than Jamison's marginal defense because Varejao magically only plays good at the 4. And Shaq could play less(Not true, read: Powe). Then you ignore Jamison's marginal defense can be used again Rashard and every other shooting 4 we play that Varejao has had problems with. Then you ignore that Jamison is 100x better on offense. Then you just make up stuff to try to make it seem even worse.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Once again ignoring the whole offense thing that Jamison brings to the table to also help things not fall apart when shaq is out...