LOL Denver for even offering Harris for Love.

Butler is 27 and Teague is 28. This team has several years of being really good ahead. Shouldn't be hard to retool around Towns prime in 6 or 7 years either. Especially considering he might be the best player itl by then.

Not sure this makes sense but there has to be some truth to it.

I doubt that the three owners backed out simultaneously but I wonder what actually happened. Denver's FO seemed legit pissed in their draft night pressers and they mentioned another team backed out of a big deal that was at the 1 yard line.

I have no clue about Indiana fandom, but are these situations really comparable? Indiana missed the tournament last year and OG went #23 overall. Oladipo lead Indiana to a #1 tournament seed and went #2 overall in the draft.


I think Oladipo is being underrated ITT. Its completely LOL that people are calling him a negative asset. He displayed a standard aging curve in years 1-3, changed to a very unique situation(playing with someone as ball-dominant as Russ in a system that fully encourages his ball-dominance), and had a year that screams "outlier" as a result. I liked him coming out of the draft, I think he has a good work ethic, and he has a skillset that is great for team-building/chemistry. Wings with the potential to play good D, hit open 3s, and be the 2nd or 3rd creator are the rarest commodities in the league. Both Elfrid Payton and Russell Westbrook are ball-dominant PGs who can't shoot- definitely not the ideal teammates for Oladipo. If Oladipo happened to be drafted by a team like the Spurs or Warriors I think our impressions of him would be drastically different right now.


edit to add: I also like the Leaf pick(although OG would've been great too) simply due to "UCLA got so much better from 2015-16 to last season that someone they added must've been a legit stud. Maybe Lonzo is overrated and Leaf deserves more of the credit" equity. Myles/Leaf/Oladipo is a really nice core imo because the most abundant commodity in the league are shot creating PGs, and assuming those players develop well then that would be the major missing piece.

OG missed over half the season last year, probably a reason they missed the tourney. The Hoosiers some how found a way to beat unc before the team fell apart. Part of the reason he fell in the draft was his knee injury.

I think your overthinking it. Butlers a beast man. You cant get players like him everyday still in there prime. Who knows maybe having him around rubs off on Wiggins and gets him to step up his game. Star free agents wont come to the wolves to fill that cap space anyways.

Dipo just isn't that good. He needs to work on his efficiency.

Playing with Russ was awful for him, I agree with that. Still don't think he's very good though. Super low IQ.

Indiana was ranked and had beaten a lot of top teams until OG went down with the ACL and the team fell apart missing the tournament. Think he was regarded really highly amongst the fan base

I think dipo is underrated but it's still a negative contract, which makes the salary dump a huge win. Still the Presti slurping is hilarious--We are talking about a guy who turned harden and Durant into thin air, and will likely do the same a year from now with Westbrook and george.

Relative to the pacers haul, Lavine/Dunn was a steal

Lolpacers just horrible

And lol every other team for not beating that package.

If that's all it took wolves should've sent Rubio and a few pairs of sneakers for George

One year ago, this was his resume:

#2 overall pick, drafted by a super sh*tty franchise who surrounds him with horrendous floor spacing(sometimes even playing Elfrid/Oladipo/Gordon at 1/2/3), and while turning into a positive defensive SG* he puts up the following stats:

age 21: 13.6 PER, 51.4% TS, 1.3 WS, -0.56 RPM
age 22: 15.9 PER, 52.7% TS, 3.5 WS, -0.31 RPM
age 23: 16.7 PER, 53.4% TS, 4.9 WS, +2.59 RPM


*13.2 counterpart PER at SG, +0.79 defensive RPM, 2.7 DWS, 2.6 stocks in year 3


If nothing about his situation changed in year 4 and there was a huge dropoff then that would definitely be reason for concern. However, seeing as how he entered a super unique situation in playing alongside Westbrook, I think its reasonable to view it as an outlier.

Sabonis' 1.8 DWS, -0.1 DBPM as a rookie might indicate he can be a positive defender. He also shot 47.3% from 16ft-3pt. Harris>>Oladipo but maybe Sabonis will develop and salvage the deal for the Pacers.

Is his situation going forward with the Pacers going to be better?

Of course it is, he just got done playing with RWB who's like the opposite of Steve Nash.

Indy is going to surround him with ****. Who's left on that squad? Turner.

Lol what was Presti supposed to do with Durant?

Seems perfect. They don't have any other PG/SG who needs development, so they can tailor their scheme to give Oladipo the exact usage they think is optimal for his development. Myles and Leaf provide them with the rare double floor spacing big man combo. Fans and community love him from his college days, so he'll have amazing support.

Yea, it honestly might be the single best spot in the league for Oladipo's development as a player. Maybe you can argue for the Spurs just because you can always argue for Pop, but solely in terms of being able to devote the team's focus to his individual development this seems ideal.


right. They can use the year to really experiment with his usage. Surrounding a young player with shooters and letting him have high usage is usually a pretty good plan(unless you give him way more usage than he can handle). Orlando seemed to favor Elfrid's development and OKC obv was all about Russ; In Indy the focus will be on Myles and Oladipo. Its kinda ridiculous that Oladipo was a #2 overall pick and never really had his team prioritize putting him in the correct role. He'll finally get that now.


edit to add: Basically with rebuilding teams, I think you want to give your young studs slightly more usage than they should be having. Obviously theres a sweet spot- if you give them too much it can be overwhelming and detrimental. But I think Indiana would be handling it perfectly by letting Myles and Oladipo be the top 2 offensive options this season. Having just one(i.e. trading Paul George for draft picks and leaving Myles to carry insane usage season) would be suboptimal in one direction, while adding a crappy high usage vet(i.e. Rudy Gay) would be suboptimal in the other direction.

Paul George


WHAT

Pacers had much less leverage than the Bulls had.

Right but I think even taking into account to their unique situations the bulls did much much better. And clippers had no leverage at all and got best return of everyone

even if George was a 100% guaranteed 1 season rental almost every 2016 Playoff team would've been able and willing to offer a better package than the thunder poopoo platter. Not even getting a pick back is completely inexplicable

Victor Oladipo's usage:

year 1: 24.4
year 2: 25.5
year 3: 22.9
year 4(w/OKC): 21.4


I'm pretty positive that drafting a guy #2 overall, having him perform well(and improve each year) in his first 3 seasons, and then decreasing his usage is not the optimal way to develop a player.


btw I'm also really high on Aaron Gordon for the same reason(Magic are LOLOLOLOLOL@ giving their young players proper situations to develop, I liked him coming out of college, and hes shown enough promise that I still believe).

I guess a start would be not trading Harden for peanuts

Dipo put up good numbers with the MAGIC, a team who had very little shooting and bad offense overall. Let's not act like RWB and okc had this great offense with spacing around them.