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07-05-2017 , 11:26 AM

#2726

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Yea how is Conley contract hard to move? i doubt they blow it up though, feels like they love being a 6-8th seed as for the last 10years that's what they've been.

07-05-2017 , 11:50 AM

#2727

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

I woke up this morning catching up on like the last hundred posts and I was starting to think I'm in a parallel dimension. Just some insane posts that people were agreeing with.

Had no idea what I was reading either. Dude was a complete tire fire last year. He hasn't made a 3 since 2015 and looked visibly sad 90% of the time he was on the court.

I have grown to really like PatPat but I could barely cheer for him last year. Glad he's moved on. I do think OKC is a dece fit since they won't let him shoot much and he can just D up.

07-05-2017 , 12:01 PM

#2728

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Had no idea what I was reading either. Dude was a complete tire fire last year. He hasn't made a 3 since 2015 and looked visibly sad 90% of the time he was on the court.

07-05-2017 , 12:02 PM

#2729

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given their cap situation and what other free agent could do something similar, it's a huge signing. maybe it doesnt move the needle in your eyes, but it upgrades their roster a lot compared to whatever else was available on the market.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

not exactly a treasure trove at power forward.

if they can't afford patpat, idk where else they go. george has been long adamant about not wanting to play the 4. i'm not even sure they could afford james johnson. they probably have to pray that jerami grant makes a huge leap. or they roll westbrook/abrines/roberson/george/adams and pray george doesnt ***** about it.

idk how you define competing vs giving them a sweat, but i like this roster's chances more than cavs. easy to just say lol westbrook but if you had to build a roster that could guard the GSW monster under the current cap, this is a pretty good attempt.

westbrook guards curry, PG guards durant, roberson guards klay, patpat guards draymond, adams guards iguodala.

I mean....wat. PP is like a slightly above average bench player. He's a bottom tier starting PF. He's probably not even going to play that much. What needle does he move?

07-05-2017 , 12:03 PM

#2730

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PatPat is great. Elite signing due to price and fit. They need a 4. They need someone that doesn't need the ball. They need someone who can hang vs GSW. And he's a great foil to the twin tower lineups.

Conleys deal is fine

Parsons deal would be tough as **** to move and likely not worth trying to move if you're Memphis starting a rebuild. They got pick protections which would incentivize a multi year tank.

07-05-2017 , 12:04 PM

#2731

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

I mean....wat. PP is like a slightly above average bench player. He's a bottom tier starting PF. He's probably not even going to play that much. What needle does he move?

He's been an elite bench player for years. Centerpiece to one of the best benches in the league.

07-05-2017 , 12:07 PM

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I mean....wat. PP is like a slightly above average bench player. He's a bottom tier starting PF. He's probably not even going to play that much. What needle does he move?

he's a stretch 4, doesn't need the ball, can stand in the corner and guard the other team's 4. good advanced metrics. basically a perfect fit for the ball dominant westbrook/george hybrid.

if dwayne casey wasn't a potato at playoff rotations you'd probably see more in his value, which is certainly higher than 3/16MM.

07-05-2017 , 12:08 PM

#2733

Moneyball16

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Raps with Patterson on the floor the last 3 years have been +1004 and without him -38.

07-05-2017 , 12:11 PM

#2734

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Ha owned. I didn't check stats and am quite surprised. He did miss some time, so maybe I'm forgetting a few games where he was hot.

For the most part, he was quite bad last year. Looks like the 3pt shooting was the only thing not to regress.

07-05-2017 , 12:12 PM

#2735

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OKC still badly need a backup PG though. Semaj Christon can't be in the rotation.

07-05-2017 , 12:15 PM

#2736

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OKC still badly need a backup PG though. Semaj Christon can't be in the rotation.

BAH GAWD IS THAT PLAYOFF RONDO'S MUSIC???

07-05-2017 , 12:16 PM

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Are you guys confusing Patrick Patterson with Patrick Peterson the football player maybe? PP the basketball player is like completely irrelevant.

07-05-2017 , 12:16 PM

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PATPAT could be paid 40/3 and not even be in talks for terrible contracts ITL

He's not irrelevant, he's a big that can still play the PF position without being an offensive or defensive liablity

07-05-2017 , 12:25 PM

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PATPAT could be paid 40/3 and not even be in talks for terrible contracts ITL

He's not irrelevant, he's a big that can still play the PF position without being an offensive or defensive liablity

He actually can only play PF. And it's one thing to do it exclusively vs. bench players for 23 mpg every year and to go out and do is as a starter or play 30+minutes for a team people are imagining will contend.

Thunder are closer to missing the playoffs than they are to contending.

I think the Patterson signing was a good signing and nice business. But it doesn't matter. They could have gotten him for free and it barely makes them any better. He's not a top 100 player itl.

07-05-2017 , 12:31 PM

#2740

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We get it, you hate Westbrook. Move along

07-05-2017 , 12:32 PM

#2741

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Patterson is really nice contract and helps OKC obviously but he's one of those guys who is more valuable during the regular season. He was complete AIDS in the playoffs last 2 years.

07-05-2017 , 12:36 PM

#2742

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Can you really blame a limited PF to be AIDS in play-offs when the 2 All-Stars in the team become bench level players ?

07-05-2017 , 12:38 PM

#2743

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Patterson is really nice contract and helps OKC obviously but he's one of those guys who is more valuable during the regular season. He was complete AIDS in the playoffs last 2 years.

A lot of that is Lowry/Derozan.

He needs guys to get his shots obviously. Which Russ will be able to do.

I'm not gonna say it's some great signing but I do think having a stretch 4 out there is important when Roberson is 1 of your wings and considering the $ that gets handed out in the NBA, 5mill is a relative bargain.

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07-05-2017 , 12:41 PM

#2744

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

A lot of that is Lowry/Derozan.

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Originally Posted by guivre1408

Can you really blame a limited PF to be AIDS in play-offs when the 2 All-Stars in the team become bench level players ?

+ casey not giving powell enough minutes when they needed him. or running JVal in spots where it shoulda been PatPat at the 4 and Ibaka at the 5.

07-05-2017 , 12:47 PM

#2745

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Ok I'm definitely under rating Pat Pats D which is always v solid and gives him a solid floor.

But he was bad on O last year. His FG% was down to 40% (46% career) and FT was down a bit too. He also seemed to get worse as the season went on. I'm not saying he's done, but hes certainly coming off a down year.

I think it's a nice signing for OKC I just don't see it being a game changer.

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07-05-2017 , 12:50 PM

#2746

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Can you really blame a limited PF to be AIDS in play-offs when the 2 All-Stars in the team become bench level players ?

you can when people are arguing said limited pf is a big deal

07-05-2017 , 12:51 PM

#2747

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I don't think people are particularly overrating Pat, he's meh but with a decent contract, that seems to be the general sentiment.
They are definitely overrating RWB if they think that team is contending for anything

07-05-2017 , 12:51 PM

#2748

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Also, Toronto's front office knows a lot more about him than we do. If they were willing to let him walk for such little money that says something.

07-05-2017 , 12:54 PM

#2749

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TuT is off on a lot, but I think his rating of RWB is pretty spot on. No team is ever winning crap with him as your best player foh

07-05-2017 , 12:56 PM

#2750

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Why? He's been on contending teams from 2011-2016 besides years that his teams had injuries.

Maybe him being able to max out his abilities or play within the structure of a winning team can be difficult, but it isn't like we don't have extensive proof of him playing well on contending teams.

And it's way easier to make the "no team is winning crap with him" statements when there is a team like GS in the league.

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