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02-26-2009 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
dude, stfu already, you are being dense now. Season/career ending injuries are not the same thing as a small bone chip in your knee that does not require surgery and is already healed.
no you are the one being dense. you simply have no idea how his body and knee feel. you have no idea if he is able to play hoops at a high enough level.
02-26-2009 , 04:12 AM
i have an idea that he's a big cool guy but a total wuss. Still, I'm 100% rooting for him to be a dominant force and leading Portland to 10 rings while Bynum misses 30 games a year.

edit: wait, I own Bynum in the N2 league. Scratch the last part.
02-26-2009 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
no you are the one being dense. you simply have no idea how his body and knee feel. you have no idea if he is able to play hoops at a high enough level.
except for the fact that the team doctors have medically cleared him to play.
02-26-2009 , 04:21 AM
i would be pretty surprised if the spurs weren't better off on the whole offensively as a result of parker's increased range
02-26-2009 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
except for the fact that the team doctors have medically cleared him to play.
ok so if the dr says it doesnt hurt or limit mobility then obv there is no way that it would.
02-26-2009 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by findingneema
Yeah. You get your pbp's from nba.com? That's what I do; I haven't seen what they do with Chicago.
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Originally Posted by findingneema
FML
Ya, I'm about ready to write an ESPN.com PBP parser. The format of the NBA.com stuff is easier to parse in general, and they are taken from the exact same source. (not the same as some others like yahoo and cbs.sportsline) It'll also integrate nicely with the shot-location data I can get from ESPN.

Bleh, writing parsing code....not my idea of a good time.

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Originally Posted by kidcolin
a 2 line blurb in a 2 page article? You're better than that. He's worked on a ton on his J with RayRay. Take off your purple and gold goggles for once.
lol

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Originally Posted by tarheeljks
i would be pretty surprised if the spurs weren't better off on the whole offensively as a result of parker's increased range
Well, it's basically the difference between Tony "keeps getting benched for Speedy Claxton" Parker and Tony "Finals MVP, Eva let me be on top tonight" Parker.
02-26-2009 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by westhoff
there should be a novak/house 3pt contest at halftime
And Eric Gordon and Ray Allen

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Originally Posted by Victor
lol announcers just called out paul pierce. "when kobe hurt his finger he didnt run off the court like that"

hahahahahahahaa
He dislocated it man.

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Originally Posted by tuq
SE Survivor? How hot would that be, 11 years and 46K posts between you. It would be like when Clemens and Schilling faced off in game 7 of the 2001 World Series. Let's do it.
Awesome, I am legitimately torn about who I would vote for (or against)

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Originally Posted by Victor
lol, this isnt even close to our most heated exchange. i used to think tsc was one of the biggest idiots on the forum but i think hes ok fine and glad he posts nowadays.

i wouldnt back down tho
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lol @ bolded. victor loves being a badass


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Originally Posted by kyro
pierce strikes me as someone who does not handle the first instant of pain very well, but once it sinks in for a few minutes, he can play through pretty much anything.
What gives you this impression?

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Originally Posted by Victor
celts really trying to lose this game now.
I'm watching the tivo and am in a very close game late in the 3rd, so I should probably hold out on reading this thread.
02-26-2009 , 11:18 AM
The Cavs have been terribly underrated up until, oh, right nowish? I remember getting into it with a whole bunch of guys 2 years ago that the Cavs weren't favorite over the Nets. Edit: I actually looked it up, it was actually more about how 2006 Chicago was a championship contender while the 2006 Cavs would be "big dogs" to either CHI/DET. Either way, ******ed.
Last year, immediately after the big trade I said they had mid-50 win talent, but for some reason most people ignored how good that trade was for the team.

This year, 47 wins? They had won 50, 50, and 45 the previous three years starting various combinations of Larry Hughes, Sasha Pavlovic, and Eric Snow(like 4-5 man years of NBDL-caliber player between them) at the guard positions(the 45 win year was injury-plagued).

They are obviously playing better than expected, but Victor is definitely right about this.

Last edited by FlyWf; 02-26-2009 at 11:41 AM.
02-26-2009 , 11:20 AM
TSC- Given that Greg Oden is better at basketball than you are at anything, and that he's only 20 but has had to rehab from several very serious injuries(likely more serious than any you've had), how about you spare us the pop psychology?
02-26-2009 , 11:41 AM
Obviously my Tivo cuts out with 1 minute to go in the Celtics game. AHHHH. They were up 1 when it cut off, and looking at the recap they lost. wtf
02-26-2009 , 11:43 AM
lara croft is on TBS now. man, angelina jolie is so banging.
02-26-2009 , 11:48 AM
Flip Murray next time you have a ****ing 10 footer at the buzzer for the win, please knock it down.

Thanks, Atlanta
02-26-2009 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
TSC- Given that Greg Oden is better at basketball than you are at anything, and that he's only 20 but has had to rehab from several very serious injuries(likely more serious than any you've had), how about you spare us the pop psychology?
This has nothing to do with anything. The fact that the he is better at basketball than 99% of the world means nothing in regards to this discussion. Quit try to being an ass.

Secondly, you pretty much answered the debate in your post. He has had to rehab two bad injuries. You don't think this weighs on his mind?

Finally, this discussion has nothing to do with me or my own personal experiences. They bear very little on the overall debate mostly because anecdotal evidence or experiences from one person do not correlate over to another.
02-26-2009 , 12:04 PM
lol @ some of the quotes from this article from October '08

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/sp...=2&oref=slogin

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Marbury finished with 14 points, but made more noise during a first-quarter jawing match with Eddie House. Crawford continued his preseason struggles, with 7 points in just under 28 minutes."

Marbury celebrated his first start with some solid play and a vicious verbal duel with House while House was sitting on the bench. It lasted several minutes and several possessions.

After Marbury drew a foul on Kendrick Perkins and hit two free throws, he turned and screamed at House, from midcourt: “You’re a bum!”

When play returned to the Celtics’ side of the court, House chirped, “Don’t worry about me. You better worry about Ray Allen,” whom Marbury was guarding. Marbury shot back, “You’re nothing!” then added, “You’re caught up in basketball. Get caught up in life.”
02-26-2009 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
this makes no sense, that fact that some other idiots would make the bet with you doesn't really mean anything other than dumb people bet with you.
I was one of those "other idiots" and I still believe - strongly - my regular season bet w/ Victor was a +EV bet. The Cavs ran ungodly according to Pyth, whereas the Wiz and Raptors ran bad.

This year the Cavs stepped it up FAR more than expected; LBJ, big Z, Ben Wallace are all playing MUCH better then last year, which is really unexpected. If anyone said the Cavs would have the best record in the league in the preseason (and put money on it) kudos to them.

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Originally Posted by kyro
well the celts didn't deserve to win this game. they played like idiots tonight.
I guess so. A win was important though

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Originally Posted by jmill
No team that got swept in the finals, bounced in the 2nd round the next year, and is currently considered the favorite to win it all is ever going to be considered chronically underrated to me.
exactly.

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Originally Posted by kidcolin
for the record, this game counts as part of the Starchild era
haha +1

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Originally Posted by Caldarooni


"I don't ****ing believe it either."
cald comes through again

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Originally Posted by Victor
well, my point all along has been that they WERE underrated.

im pretty sure it was like 5050 that they beat the wiz last year. its a joke. ppl said they would get swept by pistons. they said they had no hcance the next year.

most said they would lose to wiz last year. get swept by boston after that.

preseason, many said they wouldnt even make the playoffs and most had them around 4-6.

tahts fckn underrated.

i want accountability. i want yall, and the pundits to admit you were wrong about the cavs for the last 4 years. just bc you rate them good at this point, when they are 42-11, does not mean they werent consistently underrated.
sorry dude, you ran well last year. congrats. This year it was probably a mistake making the Pistons bet, but again, not only did Billups->Iverson **** them over, but it seems everyone aside from Tayshaun Prince decided to suck, too.

I still don't think the Cavs are as good as the Celtics. Only if they win the ECF vs them will I be convinced.

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Originally Posted by kidcolin
since the coaches started telling him to? seriously. He's instructed to.

/facepalm
Glen Davis is a ****ing joker.

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Originally Posted by tarheeljks
can't believe rondo would say that. wonder if that is a characteristic of all bad jumpshooters (thinking that their form is adequate at the very least)
"I was a pitcher, and growing up I thought I was going to the NFL," says Rondo, who was a quarterback with a 55-yard arm before he chose to focus full time on basketball after his freshman year of high school.
That is awesome.

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Originally Posted by Artdogg
funny how many talented basketball players know very little about basketball, he's not only hurting himself by not working on his shot
Actually, his quote was that he believes with practice his jumpshot will get better.
02-26-2009 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
This has nothing to do with anything. The fact that the he is better at basketball than 99% of the world means nothing in regards to this discussion. Quit try to being an ass.

Secondly, you pretty much answered the debate in your post. He has had to rehab two bad injuries. You don't think this weighs on his mind?

Finally, this discussion has nothing to do with me or my own personal experiences. They bear very little on the overall debate mostly because anecdotal evidence or experiences from one person do not correlate over to another.
This discussion is you ignorantly badmouthing the work ethic and psychological makeup of someone you've never met. So yeah, it is about you.

That Oden is such a superb basketball player is relevant, and not just in a "first cast out the beam out of thine own eye" context. People who don't have the "killer instinct" or "will to win" or whatever ******ed catch phrase you heard on The Herd yesterday don't work as hard at basketball and come back from as many injuries as Greg Oden already has.

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They bear very little on the overall debate mostly because anecdotal evidence or experiences from one person do not correlate over to another
This is hilarious in context.
02-26-2009 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The Cavs have been terribly underrated up until, oh, right nowish? I remember getting into it with a whole bunch of guys 2 years ago that the Cavs weren't favorite over the Nets. Edit: I actually looked it up, it was actually more about how 2006 Chicago was a championship contender while the 2006 Cavs would be "big dogs" to either CHI/DET. Either way, ******ed.
Last year, immediately after the big trade I said they had mid-50 win talent, but for some reason most people ignored how good that trade was for the team.

This year, 47 wins? They had won 50, 50, and 45 the previous three years starting various combinations of Larry Hughes, Sasha Pavlovic, and Eric Snow(like 4-5 man years of NBDL-caliber player between them) at the guard positions(the 45 win year was injury-plagued).

They are obviously playing better than expected, but Victor is definitely right about this.
The last 3 years they've only been an above average regular season team and then one of the most dangerous teams in the playoff. Now that they're an elite regular season team it'll be interesting to see how much better they can play in the playoffs. Lebron will obviously be getting more minutes but I'm not sure how they'll tighten their rotation. Kinsey obviously won't be playing. I wonder if they'll cut down on Boobie's minutes. He's been their worst rotation player, imo.
02-26-2009 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
I find it absurd. Cleared to play, key games, dude sits. He needs to get his mind right and ****ing play, pussy.
TSC, I think you're overdoing it.

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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
I don't know what to make from that Rondo article. If he continues to be so stubborn, he'll never become a better player and without a quality jump shot, his game will be so one dimensional.

Also, I do see the comparison to Parker, but Parker is clearly better. Both have ridiculous control over their bodies around the basket, but Parker is a better finisher. Rondo can't finish with his left.
You know what, all of you? The ability to shoot does not matter. As long as you understand your limitation. Rondo understands this; he drives and drives. Later in his career when he's less able to get to the rack then sure, his effectiveness will be diminished. But now, he doesn't take bad jumpshots. He is able to finish. And as far as I'm concerned, Rondo "shooting" (even if that "shot" is a layup) at .555 TS is more valuable than Parker "I take midrange jumpshots" at .540 TS.

I give Parker the edge too, but it's not "clearly" one way or the other.


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Originally Posted by jmill
re: Greg Oden, it's prob because he's actually a 45 year old man and has bad knees.
haha, arthritic old man

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Originally Posted by SirOsis
If only the Lakers had an injury-prone center so their fans could relate
ooh, touche

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Originally Posted by ThaSaltCracka
ALSO, WTF IS GREAR? His team is falling apart, and Stuckey has been sucking lately.
I even have a good quote from apbr about Stuckey:

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I've got Stuckey rated defensively as one of the worst starting PGs in the league. He was a little below-average last year, but has dropped off significantly. With the exception of Prince, every Pistons regular has fallen off some, but Hamilton, Stuckey and Johnson have been the worst offenders.

Overall, I think Stuckey has considerable talent - he did put up 38 and 40-point games in a span of 10 days - but has completely lost his confidence.

There was a stretch from about Thanksgiving through Christmas where he might have been their best player, and he was getting about 38% of their touches when he was on the floor. During the current losing streak, he's been a replacement-level player, and he's only getting about 18% of their touches, which is ridiculous for a point guard.
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
i have an idea that he's a big cool guy but a total wuss. Still, I'm 100% rooting for him to be a dominant force and leading Portland to 10 rings while Bynum misses 30 games a year.

edit: wait, I own Bynum in the N2 league. Scratch the last part.
I mean, Oden is cool I guess, but he really does need to pick it up. I'm such a Durantula fanboy now that I feel Durant >>> everyone else drafted in his class.

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Originally Posted by C-Viggity
Flip Murray next time you have a ****ing 10 footer at the buzzer for the win, please knock it down.

Thanks, Atlanta
reading the recap he seemed to take it very hard. Atlanta's race for the 4 is actually pretty important.
02-26-2009 , 12:33 PM
TSC,

You seem to be airing the sour grapes common from a fan base when one of their key players has recurring injuries. Such as Orlando did with Grant Hill (who was booed lustily when he returned) or Kevin Johnson here. It's always "he's out again? What a pussy." From there you're just projecting that he doesn't have any heart, or drinks and smokes P.O.T., or whatever else will convince you that he doesn't care about being well and contributing the best he can.

I mean, I fully understand that you read/follow his situation far more than any of us, but a lot of what I have read in your frothing rants seems to be nothing more than conjecture.
02-26-2009 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
This discussion is you ignorantly badmouthing the work ethic and psychological makeup of someone you've never met. So yeah, it is about you.
I am curious, have you been folllowing the Blazers since the pre-season? Listening to local media, reading the beat writers? Do you have any idea what has been happening with him all season long? The Blazers were legitimately trying to acquire Conley, just for Oden. Reports indicate he sticks to himself, that he rarely looks happy or interested. Another article earlier this year mentioned that after a game, Nate specifically mentione something about Odens game, in an attempt to build his confidence.

In the preseason, Oden had another injury, a minor one, and the team said he would miss a few games. If it had been the regular season, he would have still played. The media openly questioned if they were babying him. Again, how can he learn to play with minor pain, if the Blazers won't even let him?

You act like I am pulling some conspiracy theory out my ass after two games, in which he didn't play. This is not just my opinion on Greg Oden. This is an opinion shared by a lot of people in Portland.

You don't think a guy like Kwame Brown had/has massive mental problems adjustint to the NBA and the pressure of being the #1 pick?


So you don't think attitude and a desire to be a winner have anything to do with this? What do you think makes the difference between the best players in the league and mere above average ones? I don't think its just talent or athletic ability, but rather dedication, a desire to improve, and some serious competitiveness.
02-26-2009 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by tuq

or drinks and smokes P.O.T
I do not think this at all.
02-26-2009 , 12:37 PM
tuq, ive noticed you do this all the time. why do you always refer to pot as P.O.T. ?
02-26-2009 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TSC
If it had been the regular season, he would have still played. The media openly questioned if they were babying him. Again, how can he learn to play with minor pain, if the Blazers won't even let him?
I want you to think about just how dumb this complaint is.
02-26-2009 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
i want accountability. i want yall, and the pundits to admit you were wrong about the cavs for the last 4 years. just bc you rate them good at this point, when they are 42-11, does not mean they werent consistently underrated.
I cherry picked this paragraph - although last night you gave me many to choose from - to encapsulate why Cavs homers (admittedly for the most part you and Schwallie) annoy me far more than Lakers or Celtics homers. You must constantly defend to the death any single criticism involving the team, no matter how valid, and you must do it post after post, page after page. There comes a point where nobody could be possibly expected to care. And I think you do it way more than any homer of any other team. It really does seem like an inferiority complex. Celtics are defending champs, they have nothing to prove. Lakers have won what, twelve times, and three times this decade? They don't either. Cleveland's claim to fame is a river that is no longer on fire. So I kinda get it.

Anyway, your team has one of the best records in the league, is getting kudos high and low, and rather than letting that be you still go on monkey tilt every time the slightest criticism is levied and play the whole Rodney Dangerfield card.

I realize ALL homers are annoying to everyone else to a degree, but to me the Cavs ones have been lolbad. Please think twice before you make 25 of the posts in the next page (1/2 the posts obv at 50 posts/page) defending Mo Williams or whatever.
02-26-2009 , 12:52 PM
"You know what, all of you? The ability to shoot does not matter. As long as you understand your limitation. Rondo understands this; he drives and drives. Later in his career when he's less able to get to the rack then sure, his effectiveness will be diminished. But now, he doesn't take bad jumpshots. He is able to finish. And as far as I'm concerned, Rondo "shooting" (even if that "shot" is a layup) at .555 TS is more valuable than Parker "I take midrange jumpshots" at .540 TS."

Bobbo,

Have you watched the last two Celtics-Lakers games? How do you not see this as being exploitable?

Parker >>> Rondo, and I think Rondo is a top 6 point guardd in the game.

      
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