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12-04-2007 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by xebeche
you have me to thank for that

it's a temp ban, he'll be back tomorrow
Trip report?
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12-04-2007 , 02:19 AM
where an you get plays of the game besides youtube and nfl.com?
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12-04-2007 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagos
Baltimore did stop them on 4th down...twice.

you mean on the 2 plays that didn't ever happen because they were blown dead prior to the snap??? lol
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12-04-2007 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Dynasty
Wasn't the correct play here to make a coffin corner kick? There are two possible scenarios.

1. The ball goes out of bounds inside the 5 yard line and the Ravens get the ball 30 yards from the spot of the kick. Since the Patriots kicked off from the Ravens 35 yard line, the Ravens would get the ball at their own 5 yard line. If the ball goes through the endzone, they get the ball at the 20.

2. The ball goes out of bounds outside the 5 yard line. In this case, the Ravens would decline the penalty and take the ball wherever it went out of bounds.
I could be wrong, but I thought the receiving team has the option to request a rekick from 5 yards back if the kickoff goes O/B.
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12-04-2007 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 34TheTruth34
you mean on the 2 plays that didn't ever happen because they were blown dead prior to the snap??? lol

Yes.

My point is; it adds up. For cryin' out loud, even the Pats-loving analysts on ESPN keep saying stuff like "Wow, how many extra chances can the Pats possibly get?"

To say it's just the "breaks and bounces" of a normal football game is just dumb imo.
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12-04-2007 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by xebeche
you have me to thank for that

it's a temp ban, he'll be back tomorrow
You've been around since 04 and I barely remember seeing you. POG much?

Either way, you shouldn't waste your time. I pretty much guarantee temp-banning him only means he comes back worse than before.
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12-04-2007 , 02:28 AM
On the kickoff, I don't understand not onside kicking. If they recover, you cost yourself maybe 5 yards. If you recover, you win the game automatically (or, since you're the Patriots, you could try to score again ). It looked like the Ravens weren't expecting it either, so that would increase your chances.

I guess the thought of giving up a big play or a penalty was to much to risk it? Or maybe Belicheck didn't even think about it?
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12-04-2007 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagos
Yes.

My point is; it adds up. For cryin' out loud, even the Pats-loving analysts on ESPN keep saying stuff like "Wow, how many extra chances can the Pats possibly get?"

To say it's just the "breaks and bounces" of a normal football game is just dumb imo.

ok, so you want to go back and keep the plays (that never really happened) the same but not count the things that happened prior to the plays that caused them to not happen? Then, you want to take the results of those plays and count that? Gotcha. So, you're right I guess. The Ravens should have won.
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12-04-2007 , 02:36 AM
I'm not sure why people are defending Kyle Boller's arm. Yes he has a very strong arm, one of the strongest in the entire NFL. I thought that was common knowledge. I'm pretty sure the people making jokes about his ability to throw the long ball are leveling. Unless, of course, this whole discussion on Boller's arm is all some elaborate, multi-layered level on me.
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12-04-2007 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 34TheTruth34
ok, so you want to go back and keep the plays (that never really happened) the same but not count the things that happened prior to the plays that caused them to not happen? Then, you want to take the results of those plays and count that? Gotcha. So, you're right I guess. The Ravens should have won.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about right now. All I know is the Pats got very very lucky to win that game. It wasn't just the normal "bounces and breaks" of a 3 point football game. A LOT of stuff landed on their side of the coin. Let's just leave it at that.

On NFL Countdown on Brady's tipped pass at the end.

TREY: 9 times out of 10 that ball is picked off
MERRIL: Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

I'm going to bed. I hate the NFL.
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12-04-2007 , 02:46 AM
WRT the onside kicking thing, I am just going to give Belichick the benefit of the doubt on this. I was sitting there saying, "Why wouldn't he onside kick here" like everyone else but that thought obviously went through his head too and he decided against it for some reason, that's enough to convince me it wasn't stupid.
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12-04-2007 , 02:46 AM
1.) The hold was pretty clear, and it happened to be on the intended recieving on 4th down. If this had happened away from the ball and was called I think it would be objectionable, but as played it needed to be called.

2.) Billick didn't call the timeout, and seemed to have a great gameplan. Everyone saying he should be fired is out of their mind stupid.

3.) I don't think the last catch by Jabar should have been a TD. Since it was called a TD on the field, I don't think there was enough to overturn it. But regardless of what anyone says, the ball was clearly moving and the ball still being on the reciever's fingertips is irrellevant. Think about it logically, someone could have fingertips on the ball the whole way down to the ground and not have it secured, and it wasn't secure before he stepped out.

4.) I think Rodney Harrison not getting unsportmanlike conduct for RUNNING UP TO RAVENS SIDELINE AND JAWING OFF THE HEAD COACH, but it then being called at the end of the game after back to back controversial calls (one was clearly correct and one was questionable) at the most important part of the game is ridiculous.

I have money on the Pats going undefeated, so for that I wanted them to win. But the Ravens played their asses off I feel like they deserved to win this game.
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12-04-2007 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Edge34
You've been around since 04 and I barely remember seeing you. POG much?

Either way, you shouldn't waste your time. I pretty much guarantee temp-banning him only means he comes back worse than before.
hyachachachacha how did I not know who you were?
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12-04-2007 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by owsley
WRT the onside kicking thing, I am just going to give Belichick the benefit of the doubt on this. I was sitting there saying, "Why wouldn't he onside kick here" like everyone else but that thought obviously went through his head too and he decided against it for some reason, that's enough to convince me it wasn't stupid.

probably the correct answer
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12-04-2007 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagos
I don't know what the hell you're talking about right now.
k, i'll go real slow. The events in chronological order are:

#1 - false start penalty happens prior to the snap which negates any play that would occur.

#2 - meaningless play goes off, but obviously doesn't count b/c of the penalty (see #1).

you want to, for some reason, ignore the false start and count the result of the meaningless play that never "happened". And, because of that, you say the Ravens should have stopped them and won the game. Just seems pretty illogical to me and suggests that you just hate the Pats. Obviously, it's harder to make a 4th and 6 than it is a 4th and 1 despite the fact that they made the 4th and 6 and "missed" the 4th and 1.
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12-04-2007 , 05:09 AM
Not sure if anyone watched all the postgame interviews, but Ravens players are basically going nuts over the officiating. saying that the refs were making it personal big time.
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12-04-2007 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 34TheTruth34
k, i'll go real slow. The events in chronological order are:

#1 - false start penalty happens prior to the snap which negates any play that would occur.

#2 - meaningless play goes off, but obviously doesn't count b/c of the penalty (see #1).

you want to, for some reason, ignore the false start and count the result of the meaningless play that never "happened". And, because of that, you say the Ravens should have stopped them and won the game. Just seems pretty illogical to me and suggests that you just hate the Pats. Obviously, it's harder to make a 4th and 6 than it is a 4th and 1 despite the fact that they made the 4th and 6 and "missed" the 4th and 1.
this has to be a level.
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12-04-2007 , 05:40 AM
I wanted that hail mary to end in a td to see if the very obvious pi would get called
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12-04-2007 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kolotoure
I wanted that hail mary to end in a td to see if the very obvious pi would get called
hook and ladder ftw
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12-04-2007 , 09:06 AM
re: the luck. I think the conversation has turned a bit irrational.

consider:

Ben Watson catches that ball on the opening drive for a TD 9/10, that ended up being worth 4 points

Randy Moss normally catches the ball that hit him in the hands in the endzone. that was worth 4 points

the Ravens had a chance to go up by 10 or more late in the 4th, but Boller chucked up an awful throw which was intercepted.

even after that, the Ravens had - iirc - a 4 point lead and the ball twice with less than 5 minutes left, and failed to kill the clock (despite the fact they had been running very well) either time.

the TO when Brady was stopped? that was lucky. ditto for the tipped ball that nobody on the Ravens could get to.

but the 4th down that became 4th and 6th was certainly bad news for the Pats. it looked like we had been stopped, but this was just b/c of the false start - the RG jumped offsides and left a gaping hole which the Ravens DT shot through to stop the RB (normally another blocker would have gone there). without the penalty, who knows what happens. either way, the Ravens would surely rather defend 4th and 6th than 4th and 1

then there was the holding call at the end, which I think was pretty blatant. I wish I had a replay to link to.

the Gaffney TD being upheld I think is a classic case of "it looks close, was called a TD on the field, it stays", and this stuff happens all the time in the NFL. even if it is reversed, the Pats have 3 more chances from the 8 yard line. I think my chances there.

then the Ravens throw away a chance for a big return by getting 30 yards in dumb penalties for the Pats final kickoff. they only needed a FG at the end, getting a return to the 35 or 40 would have been HUGE there.

and the Ed Reed fumble - I'm not sure how Kevin Faulk causing that fumble is any more lucky than a tipped ball flying right at Reed in the 1st place.

and on top of this, the entire game was played in weather conditions that greatly favored the Ravens.

basically, this wasn't just about the Pats getting lucky.

Last edited by Kneel B4 Zod; 12-04-2007 at 09:28 AM.
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12-04-2007 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
then there was the holding call at the end, which I think was pretty blatant. I wish I had a replay to link to.
I wish we had a replay also. How I remember it, the defender was impeding Watson with an outstretched arm, but all contact was made in the front, and we saw no evidence of the jersey or anything being grabbed. Isn't that perfectly legal within 5 yards?

Whether it continued beyond 5 yards is another matter.
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12-04-2007 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Not sure if anyone watched all the postgame interviews, but Ravens players are basically going nuts over the officiating. saying that the refs were making it personal big time.
Yeah, man, the Ravens are coming off as huge whining losers. I really didn't think the officiating was that bad. I guess sometimes the refs let some of those plays go but ultimately the fouls did happen. It certainly wasn't anywhere near as bad as the play where Reggie Wayne dove and *tackled* Ellis Hobbs (I think it was Hobbs) from behind when he was going for an INT.

Also Brady and half the offensive line stopped playing when they heard the whistle for the timeout so it's not like the play would've gone the same if Ryan hadn't called the TO.
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12-04-2007 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ravens24
BOLLER FTW!

I'm just gonna enjoy this while it lasts because I know the Ravens will find a way to have some crushing loss at the end.
LOL seeingthefutureaments
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12-04-2007 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 34TheTruth34
On the kickoff, I don't understand not onside kicking. If they recover, you cost yourself maybe 5 yards. If you recover, you win the game automatically (or, since you're the Patriots, you could try to score again ). It looked like the Ravens weren't expecting it either, so that would increase your chances.

I guess the thought of giving up a big play or a penalty was to much to risk it? Or maybe Belicheck didn't even think about it?
Yeah that 5 yards wouldn't have mattered
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12-04-2007 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bustowithnobra
HAHAHAahahaha - This is gold, I can't believe I'm just seeing it for the first time now. I wonder if the reporter is wearing some 20's style outfit too.

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