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11-17-2013 , 09:25 PM
Watching this other Dana White interview and he said (after meeting with both fighters post fight) GSP didn't even know the fight was over when it was, didn't know what round it was, and that he's back there hurting badly.

I had family stuff going on but really looking forward to watching the fight when I get home.
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11-17-2013 , 09:32 PM
No question GSP got rocked in the fight.... GSP went straight to the hospital to get stitches and painkillers, Hendricks looked like he wanted to grab a beer and go another five rounds.

What a lot of people seem to be missing, though, is that fact has nothing to do with how a MMA fight gets scored or who wins.

I still think Hendricks won the fight, but imo anyone looking at the cuts on GSPs face and deciding that's the reason doesn't really understand the sport imo.
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11-17-2013 , 09:42 PM
I just thought it was interesting. Don't have an opinion on the outcome.
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11-17-2013 , 09:46 PM
And I love DW's honesty about his thoughts, but if he's ever going to grow the sport to the level he wants to then he's going to have to stop dropping F-bombs every 5th word in his interviews.

I don't care myself but that's the world we live in.
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11-17-2013 , 09:47 PM
Although one could argue anyone who would not watch because of that wouldn't ever watch in the first place...
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11-17-2013 , 10:25 PM
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how you explain this then ?
"but GSP would lead in significant strikes 101-85.""


ps: even hendrix admitted he punch at 70% , so your 9 range on 10 power is not very comprehensible and Dana was reproching him that !
A jab is a significant strike. A hook that knocks someone out is a significant strike. These 2 punches should be scored differently.

I mean it's obvious you don't agree but I can't imagine seeing 15/15 online-media judges in addition to fightmetric scoring a fight the exact same way and thinking "hmm they are all wrong and I'm right". At that point I'd probably reevaluate the way I saw the fight.
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11-17-2013 , 10:27 PM
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Although one could argue anyone who would not watch because of that wouldn't ever watch in the first place...
Yeah I can't imagine someone offended by the F word being in the UFC's target demo.
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11-17-2013 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kedu
A jab is a significant strike. A hook that knocks someone out is a significant strike. These 2 punches should be scored differently.

I mean it's obvious you don't agree but I can't imagine seeing 15/15 online-media judges in addition to fightmetric scoring a fight the exact same way and thinking "hmm they are all wrong and I'm right". At that point I'd probably reevaluate the way I saw the fight.
post me the metrics that show clear win for hendrix please , i post 2 that said 1st round was dead draw....

i am not saying gsp win , i just think round 1 was draw...wich should still make gsp the champ.

btw tony weeks aint an idiot has a referee and judge...

imo the big mistake is hendrix thinking he had the fight in the pocket and did not fight the 5th round has he could be while gsp did....

on a fight that close you cannot assume you have a sure win and go in the 5th not trying to win for the freakin BELT, and Dana did blame hendrix for that..
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11-18-2013 , 01:01 AM
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Yeah I can't imagine someone offended by the F word being in the UFC's target demo.
You're right but I think the bottom line is that there's nothing to be gained by saying it, but something could be lost.

There may be something to be said about advertising dollars as well.
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11-18-2013 , 03:05 AM
montreal, you aren't making a lot of sense here.

MMA is extremely hard to quantify as a sport. You can't just say 'SHOW ME THE METRICS'. Johnny was hitting harder than GSP almost the entire fight, and there isn't a metric to show that. I think it was a poor decision but not a totally awful one, and I'm not really that angry about it. But in general, you are approaching the scoring of fights the wrong way. You can't sort-by-stats, there's a large eye-test in determining which strikes actually do real damage. Believe me on this.
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11-18-2013 , 11:33 AM
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montreal, you aren't making a lot of sense here.

MMA is extremely hard to quantify as a sport. You can't just say 'SHOW ME THE METRICS'. Johnny was hitting harder than GSP almost the entire fight, and there isn't a metric to show that. I think it was a poor decision but not a totally awful one, and I'm not really that angry about it. But in general, you are approaching the scoring of fights the wrong way. You can't sort-by-stats, there's a large eye-test in determining which strikes actually do real damage. Believe me on this.
This is the problem with fight judging these days. For the most part judging can not overrule the numbers. They are trying to make it like a baseball game. It is why DW hates the Nevada Athletic Commission. It the Floyd Mayweather problem. He sucks to watch because he is not trying to "win" the fight. He is trying to outscore his opponent.

The influence of boxing style officiating/scoring is a problem MMA has had since the beginning. Maybe they should stop having fights in Nevada.
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11-18-2013 , 12:25 PM
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montreal, you aren't making a lot of sense here.

MMA is extremely hard to quantify as a sport. You can't just say 'SHOW ME THE METRICS'. Johnny was hitting harder than GSP almost the entire fight, and there isn't a metric to show that. I think it was a poor decision but not a totally awful one, and I'm not really that angry about it. But in general, you are approaching the scoring of fights the wrong way. You can't sort-by-stats, there's a large eye-test in determining which strikes actually do real damage. Believe me on this.
first round stats : "Hendricks landed 27 total strikes to GSP's 26. GSP, however, would land 19 significant strikes to Hendricks' 18."

end of fight stats :"The full fight numbers, oddly, saw Hendricks beat out GSP in total strikes 142-125, but GSP would lead in significant strikes 101-85."


now there is a distinction between punch landed like you said and significant strike imo, and it clearly show GSP hit harder with significant strike then hendrix so i do not get why everyone said hendrix hit harder through out the match ?

I mean i would think a clean shot should be better score then a punch in a clinch right ?
seem gsp with significant strike says so, if not then i guess you are ....

You should know the damage on the face means nothing if it is the reason you say hendrix hit harder or "cleaner, some people bleed to nothing while others have very tough skins, especially has the career gets longer...

I really do not mind who won because for me it was a draw, but those saying hendrix dominate gsp 3 rounds i just do not see it, he did dominate gsp better for 2 round then gsp but not 3 imo

anyway, i am just glad it was a good fight wich will make the rematch better.
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11-18-2013 , 01:09 PM
Gsp blocking punches with his face counts as a significant strikes for him?
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11-18-2013 , 01:38 PM
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Gsp blocking punches with his face counts as a significant strikes for him?
listen the says metrics that gsp land more signifcant strikes, has in i guess more clean shot,not me saying so.
now you do not believe the metric then do not....

but i will not say a guy win the fight because he got 1 hard punch while the other guy got always 2 hit for it for example...

if you think no matter how many punch lands only the one hitting harder wins, then do not blame the guy with less power strike to always bring the guy to the mat trying to submit him or w.e in the next fight, because in that line of tought, he knows even if he outstrike the guy he still will loose because his adversary got more power or better chin standing up....

anyway imo metrics are a guideline, and it says trought the fight hendrix landed more shot in total ( not signficant tho ) and this is why he dominated HIS winning round more clearly then st-pierre when he won his round, but doesnt change the fact a winning rounds is a winning round .
so only the 1st round stands out and it is a dead draw strike wise...

anyway like i said, no matter who won i was fine with it but those advocate steal or w.e are totally wrong.

hendrix might won the fight overall but not round by round and he shouldnt fight the 5th round the way he did.

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11-18-2013 , 01:48 PM
Not blaming anyone, just questioning your significant strike patter.

Almost forgot to lol@gsp hitting Hendricks harder.

So lol at that.
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11-18-2013 , 01:50 PM
And lol at a glancing jab counting for more than an uppercut in the clinch.

Ffs Gsp got knocked senseless by those punches. Dana's words.
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11-18-2013 , 02:17 PM
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And lol at a glancing jab counting for more than an uppercut in the clinch.

Ffs Gsp got knocked senseless by those punches. Dana's words.
where do i say GSP hit harder then Hendrix?

we all know Hendrix has power not one has in the 170 division....


i know glancing jab are not counting like uppercut , that is my point...

so what is the difference between punch landed , total strikes 142-125( wich that stats should include glancing jab imo where Hendrix was leading at the end of the fight) and significant strike, 101-85( where GSP dominated Hendrix )?

if u say glancing jab are in significant strike categories and you say they all belong in the gsp side then i do not know what the hell you included in all the strike landed and i would like to know what you think they are....

pretty obvious to me at least, 125 total strike landed - 101 significant strike landed = 24 of the some maybe being glancing jab ?

anyway if a guy hit harder for 50 hit and deserve the win vs a guy hitting less harder with 100 punch to his credit for example, just do not blame the guy hitting weaker to go on ground , knowing he will never win a fight standing up, that is all...
You get that point ?


Has for Dana comment, yes and this is exactly why Jones beat Gustaffson , even tho Gustaffson beat Jup for 4 min in the 4th round, because or 5 or 6 power punch from jones at the end of the round for 40 sec he got the win....wich i disagree with the decision.
And i think it is the same thing that happend in the Condi fight vs Diaz too.

If you think Jones or Diaz were the winner in his last fight i totally understand your frustration about the GSP win.

we just disagree on what should have more impact in the scoring system and to this day, it is not yet determine accurately.

with time consensus will be achieve.

Anyway i do not think this was an easy win to Hendrix, i just see it was possible to gave the win to GSP due to the scoring system round by round...

ps: do i think the fight has a WHOLE hendrix won the fight?
i think so, but if you have to give a winner after each round then imo it was a draw because each round = to a single fight kinda , and you add them. it was for me draw 1st round and 2 rounds each after...
maybe to fix this , they should had another 10 pts , only base on the fight has a whole and not just adding up round by round, who knows....

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11-18-2013 , 03:22 PM
Post 5287 3rd paragraph.

I reckon your butthurt would be off the charts if gsp hadn't got the decision. I base this on nothing more than how perturbed you seem to be now and he got the ****ing win.
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11-18-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Post 5287 3rd paragraph.

I reckon your butthurt would be off the charts if gsp hadn't got the decision. I base this on nothing more than how perturbed you seem to be now and he got the ****ing win.

i am really not

true i miss spoke i met gsp do not hit harder because he has less power but for gsp he did land cleaner hit it seem and more power punch for gsp himself, obviously he cannot hit has much power has hendrix but for gsp his power punch did seem to him more often...

anyway i really do not care about the decision it was agreat fight and both deserve to win or draw...
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11-18-2013 , 04:35 PM
Why do you say this?

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Not blaming anyone, just questioning your significant strike patter.

Almost forgot to lol@gsp hitting Hendricks harder.

So lol at that.
Than when he defends himself for not saying it, you say this?

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Post 5287 3rd paragraph.

I reckon your butthurt would be off the charts if gsp hadn't got the decision. I base this on nothing more than how perturbed you seem to be now and he got the ****ing win.
No need to put words in ones mouth and than call them butthurt for defending himself for something he didnt say.

Troll much?

Last edited by GarthAlgar; 11-18-2013 at 04:42 PM. Reason: and its "you're butthurt" not "your butthurt"
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11-18-2013 , 04:42 PM
What?

He clearly said gsp hit harder. I didn't know he messed up what he meant until his last post and now I know I've nothing to say.

Oh and nits not welcome, ****ing you're indeed.

Why is you're butthurt garth? You're man won yet still canada feels the need to defend gsp's honor at every turn it seems.

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11-18-2013 , 05:33 PM
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The difference in skin and scar tissue between two guys and how they show damage is like the worst possible way to judge a fight. It's an athletic competition, not a bar fight.
this is a good point too

not saying GSP won that fight, but to be fair he seems to get marked up pretty easily, iirc it's even happened in fights that he completely dominated

he's had a few now where he's looked horrible after, and the worse of the two fighters, even after wins
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11-18-2013 , 05:42 PM
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11-18-2013 , 05:49 PM
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Watching this other Dana White interview and he said (after meeting with both fighters post fight) GSP didn't even know the fight was over when it was, didn't know what round it was, and that he's back there hurting badly.
If this is the case now, then his brain issues will only get worse with each passing fight. Retirement might be the right decision.
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11-18-2013 , 07:28 PM
GSP's face has been mashed up pretty good since the comeback.

UFC 158...


UFC 154...
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