not as stupid as the top prospect in baseball signing a 9 year, 44 million contract except the last three years/~30 mil are essentially risk free for the team.
no i said that if a contract is by far the most team friendly in the majors then it is ldo bad for the player. think about it.
What do you expect him to earn for his career if he played out his rookie contract? What about under his current contract?
Are you willing to agree that he does have a risk for injury or regression when he signed?
You seem to think that I'm saying every player should take x amount of money, when I'm trying to say that Longoria had a risk/reward type situation, and he chose reward.
false dichotomy. i've got this theory that if longo and his agent weren't complete ****ing rubes they could have assuaged a bunch of risk without getting ****ed in the ass on the reward.
lol @ Rick Porcello. Do people actually think this guy's a good pitcher? I guess he might make an okay long reliever with some hard work, but that seems like a long shot.
ETA: omg and they're throwing Bonderman out there tomorrow? Tigers should probably not even bother to show up and just get some rest for the next series.
maybe longoria had a hot stock tip and needed cash fast to flip it so he signed quickly so he can take out a loan against his contract to invest in the stock
lol at Phildo. How exactly do you think they were going to do this? Demand to be traded? Not play? You seem to assume everyone representing the Rays players is ****ing incompetent which might be one of the dumbest stances taken ITT.
laugh in friedman's face when he brings up the original contract and then sign a better one a few months later? you guys are operating on one hell of a "he either signs that contract right away or plays out the rest of his rookie deal" false dichotomy.
friedman's a goddamn genius so i'm assuming that he knows just how badly he raped longo and would have offered a much less rapetastic contract if longo had just a little bit of patience. i guess i could be wrong though and he wasn't going to offer him a better contract if he could wait out a few months of terrible, terrible risk.
i've just said that longo and/or his agent is/are completely incompetent so i don't really know where you're getting that second part from.
false dichotomy. i've got this theory that if longo and his agent weren't complete ****ing rubes they could have assuaged a bunch of risk without getting ****ed in the ass on the reward.
It's great to have a theory, but they were negotiating with 1 team (that is notoriously cheap) so they didn't have much leverage.
It looks a lot worse now than it did when he signed, don't be so results oriented.
It's great to have a theory, but they were negotiating with 1 team (that is notoriously cheap) so they didn't have much leverage.
It looks a lot worse now than it did when he signed, don't be so results oriented.
if jason heyward signed the same contract tomorrow it would still be terrible.
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Originally Posted by Thremp
Longoria has pretty much developed into the best possible player he could be. I'm sure Jay Bruce would give a testicle for that contract.
jay bruce is pretty goddamn likely to make more than $44 mil over the next nine seasons. he was a 1.6 war player over 100 games as a 22 year old and chone projects him to be a ~3 war player this season at 23. so um, sure.
The utility of that first guaranteed 10ish mil in your pocket is huge. Acting like Longo doesn't pick up huge utility from that contract is absurd. IIRC KyleB has written about this and how this sort of deal will start to become standardized. Of course everyone love to hindsight bias this stuff. Wells/Soriano/etc.
I like how you quote this thinking its important when in reality it has nothing to do with being discussed.
Its just basically framing that you don't even understand what you're saying. His trade value is 100% completely meaningless.
lol?
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Originally Posted by dave cameron
He signed away the absolute prime of his career for an absolute maximum of about $50 million, and Tampa is only on the hook for a guaranteed $17.5 million through 2013. If Longoria gets hurt and regresses significantly, well, they didn’t pay him much anyway. If he turns into the perennial all-star that we should expect him to, then he might go down as the least compensated superstar in recent history.
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Originally Posted by jtown1010
I don't think Longoria has the best contract for his team. The only team I follow closely is the Braves so that's my example obv.
With ATL's payroll, a guy like Tommy Hanson at his contract is a lot more valuable than a guy like Longoria with Tampa's payroll.
isn't hanson still playing on his rookie contract? if so, lol, yeah, let's revisit this conversation after he goes through arbitration
