wow okay, so apparently it was a lot deeper than that. LOL at the rest of us I guess.

Once brothers gets a big thumbs up from me. It's not even hilariously funny, but when magic says that shows how old we both are and vlade goes but we still look good, I busted out laughing. Was emotionally moved several times. I also enjoyed reading the madcroatians take in this thread.

bumping for new one tonight:

bump for start

His earlobes are freaking me out, what the **** is going on with them?

Why is Fernando speaking in Spanish now and we need subtitles, but they show old clips of him being interviewed and his English is pretty good?

They switched it up, he's spoke both English and Spanish in the current day interview. No clue why

Damn, was looking forward to this one. watching Fernando one now

i thought it was pretty good. worth watching but nothing more

less of a Dodger love fest than I thought...more of an Hispanic pride thing. Pretty interesting. The fact the Fernando pitched 5 complete games - 4 of them shutouts - in his first 5 starts is insane.

am i the only who thinks these films suck balls. they either are about a stupid irrelevant topic (see reggie miller who never even made it to the finals and produced the stupid film about himself), feature some story that sounds intersting but just turns out to be boring as hell (Ricky Williams), than the ones trying to make some sort of political statement.

the worst was the hank gathers - paul westhead one which ends with westhead celebrating a WNBA championship(lol) and him coaching women's b-ball at oregon (weird).

i liked the fernando one that was about the only one out of 5 i thought was pretty good.

but in summary the lol stupid ones in order
1. reggie miller who the **** cares.
2. paul westhead - lol wnba
3. ricky williams - what the **** could only watch like 10 minutes of it. ricky talking about his therapy or whatever.

you are failing hard right now.


Only got to see part of the Fernando one, pretty good.

You have to realize that a lot of the viewers were not born / too young to remember anything from that day, thus they really have no idea what happened. To make a bad example on a much larger scale, it would sort of be like our children looking back on 9/11.

So basically they just see it as a take on the OJ thing, first and foremost... and probably do not realize it is depicting anything about the media outlets. I know I didn't when I watched it, but then again that whole doc kinda confused and bored me. That's not to say I didn't like it or find it intriguing.


I've missed the last few 30 for 30s I think. I know I didn't see the last one, and still need to catch up on a few from the beginning of the series. Hopefully I'll do that sometime this year :-\

not enough special effects imo

yes

I'm quite certain that Reggie Miller made it to the finals.

no that was cheryl

cmon, man how can you produce about yourself. how non player is that.

He single handedly made almost every Mexican-Ameican into a Ddoger fan. Thats why there are more Dodger fans than home fans in stadiums like Arizona and San Diego.

The Fernando one was okay and interesting, but it seemed like it should have been more like a segment on 60 minutes instead of the center of a documentary.

Bump for John Singleton doing a doc on Marion Jones tonight. This doesn't seem like particularly compelling subject matter on its face - chick runs fast, chick denies cheating, chick gets caught cheating, etc. It's Singleton though, so maybe he can make it work somehow.

Unfortunately he'll probably sidestep the one burning question we all want to have answered: how a chick could have that much money and still not get her grill fixed.

I'm intersted in this for 2 reasons:

1) Having competed in track for many years and now coaching it, its a subject matter I like.

2) Track and Field at the highest level has, much like cycling, become a sport of who can dope the best without getting caught, and I'm curious to see if this will delve into that issue at all or simply gloss over it while acting like Marion Jones doping was some sort of unique case. Sadly it will probably be the latter.

This isn't to say that absolutely no one is clean. A member of my college track team has an olympic gold medal as part of their 4x400 relay team and I as much as you can be sure about someone being clean without being that person, I am sure he was 100% clean. Its just that it is at such a wide level that you'd likely be more accurate in assuming everyone is doping than assuming everyone is clean.

I enjoyed this more than most people probably did. The one annoying part being the amount of time spent on her speech outside the courtroom in 2007.

With track being a more niche sport, its probably harder to appreciate this documentary. In a lot of ways its similar to Run Ricky Run. Jones and Williams are two people who reached the height of their sports and then completely disappeared for reasons that caused them to be painted as horrible people by the mass media. In both cases, if you really dig deep into it you find that there's much more to the story than has generally been portrayed, and as is often the case with people there really is something good there deep down. Do I wish they would have delved more into certain areas, and could this have been better done? Absolutely. But it still is a good story and has some information on an interesting subject that hasn't been widely told previously.

Was Ricky Williams really made out to be a horrible person by the mass media? I remember hearing about how strange he was, but don't recall him being made out to be the devil or anything.

edit: Keep in mind I did not watch the Ricky episode.