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03-23-2009 , 09:52 PM

#4976

Oski

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HaroldT32

To make fun of Valenzuela, I thought that would be clear. I expect exactly 0 people to be interested in my bet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by valenzuela

You actually have to be funny, try again next time.

Harold. I guess you are being called out by the biggest bitch in this thread. Let's see what you can do.

03-23-2009 , 10:54 PM

#4977

Disturbance

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Ferguson doesn't crack up. This is all part of his mind games. He has done this for years.

And here's me thinking he's gone senile in his old age.

In reality his ranting about referee conspiracies is all 'mind games', he really is a master.

I'm so naive.

03-23-2009 , 11:49 PM

#4978

thedeezy

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Fergie has gone from manager for the team top of league to senile in 2 weeks

03-23-2009 , 11:59 PM

#4979

DemonOfTheFall

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Can anyone tell me how Rooney deserved to get the second yellow? Apparently if you have a grimace on your face while doing something it makes it 10x worse.

03-24-2009 , 12:38 AM

#4980

Ra_Z_Boy

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Originally Posted by DemonOfTheFall

Can anyone tell me how Rooney deserved to get the second yellow? Apparently if you have a grimace on your face while doing something it makes it 10x worse.

Even as a united fan I couldn;t deny it was a clear card. Pure bare faced petulance that shouldn;t be tolerated.

03-24-2009 , 01:34 AM

#4981

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Just to be clear, I'm only basing this off youtube highlights, Rooney is the one that threw the ball? While it did go near the area where it seems like the foul occurred, I don't see how you can say that wasn't deserving of a yellow card, whether or not he already had one. The ball sailed well past the supposed destination and he put like double the necessary force on it. Pretty clear unsporting behavior IMO.

03-24-2009 , 03:04 AM

#4982

Entee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashy

ah btw what are the best sites for sportsbetting?
Given the recent events odds should be good enough to bet a pretty huge amount on manu

Good thinking. I agree there's probably overreaction to recent events in the market.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/...hip/win-market is one for odds comparison. I usually just end up betting on Betfair. Even with 5% commission it's almost never much below the best offer (I miss the time when they had only 1% commission on asian handicaps).

And to the percentage discussion here, market says manu is about 73%, Liverpool 22%, Chelsea 4.3% and Arsenal the remaining fraction of a percent.

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03-24-2009 , 06:20 AM

#4983

fatshaft

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Originally Posted by Disturbance

Good post apart from the Rooney line, he is just eminently dislikable. Does anyone need more of a reason to hate him other than the fact he is ugly? He has a head like a misshapen potato FFS!

Agreed. Although it's the snarling "I can get away with anything" (LOL, not last week sonny) attitude that gets on my tits, a bit like John Terry in that respect. Conversly, Ronaldo actually doesn't bother me much at all.

03-24-2009 , 07:06 AM

#4984

cashy

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thx Entee

03-24-2009 , 11:22 AM

#4985

fredericksburg

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What do people think about Friedel's red card being rescinded? According to the BBC, he won based on this argument:

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the American argued he went for a 50-50 ball and had nowhere else to go after Torres got to it first.

While I think he was very unlucky to just get to the ball after Torres and there was no malice in it, it was still a foul. He got the player and not the ball. It was obviously a clear goal scoring opportunity so I think the red card has to stand.

03-24-2009 , 11:30 AM

#4986

TheRenaissance

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Well there was a defender alongside Torres as well. Yellow yes, penalty yes, red seems harsh.

03-24-2009 , 11:39 AM

#4987

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Originally Posted by TheRenaissance

Well there was a defender alongside Torres as well. Yellow yes, penalty yes, red seems harsh.

^this. It was a penalty, but there's been much worse fouls in the box that have gotten lesser cards then what friedel got

03-24-2009 , 11:46 AM

#4988

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRenaissance

Well there was a defender alongside Torres as well. Yellow yes, penalty yes, red seems harsh.

So you would not class that as a clear goal scoring opportunity?

03-24-2009 , 11:50 AM

#4989

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Meh, it is a close call, so Friedel should get the benefit of the doubt. I mean you are already giving a penalty, sending the goalie off as well seems cruel and unusual.

03-24-2009 , 11:52 AM

#4990

Entee

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Quoting Friedel:

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I just stood my ground, and as the cameras show I turned my shoulders to show that I didn't try to make contact. He is the one who ran in and made contact with me.

At least it should be quite obvious to everyone that the contact wasn't intentional, and he was going for the ball. Torres just got to it first, and moved the ball to the side. Unfortunately Torres wasn't quick enough to change direction himself in time.

03-24-2009 , 11:54 AM

#4991

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To quote Shankly:
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game."

03-24-2009 , 11:56 AM

#4992

HaroldT32

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"the American argued he went for a 50-50 ball and had nowhere else to go after Torres got to it first. "

Isn't this like, what a foul is? You miss a 50/50 and get the player its not just "aww too bad". To be clear I didn't see the highlight. That is just a funny defense to take.

03-24-2009 , 12:01 PM

#4993

fredericksburg

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Since when did there have to be intent for a foul?

It sucks that he had to be sent off but with the rules as they are, the referee surely has no option?

03-24-2009 , 12:03 PM

#4994

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HaroldT32

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by HaroldT32

To be clear I didn't see the highlight. That is just a funny defense to take.

It is poor quality but you can see the incident here.

03-24-2009 , 12:04 PM

#4995

Ra_Z_Boy

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If you go for a 50/50 ball you have every right to go for and miss out this is clearly not as bad a discretion as delibrately taking someone out. Not commenting on the specific incident.

03-24-2009 , 12:14 PM

#4996

fredericksburg

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Quote:

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any
of the following seven offences:

denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent
moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a
free kick or a penalty kick

I am struggling to see where it mentions the severity of the indiscretion.

03-24-2009 , 12:24 PM

#4997

Entee

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But was it "an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick"?

He was just outplayed by Torres' mad skillz.

I don't know really. Even penalty from that just seems unfair to me.

03-24-2009 , 12:27 PM

#4998

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Originally Posted by fredericksburg

I am struggling to see where it mentions the severity of the indiscretion.

I meant in general, not in this specific incident. Obviously in the section about red cards all incidents are considered to be of the same severity.

03-24-2009 , 01:05 PM

#4999

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Originally Posted by HaroldT32

well, except instead of clattering into him, he tries to pull back realizing he is beat. The contact wasn't severe, nor intentional. I don't think its the same thing as a midfielder sliding in on a 50/50 ball and just missing the ball but hitting the player. If Friedel had slide into Torres, then yeah I think a red was warranted. Yellow and Penalty seem like the better call there.

03-24-2009 , 01:27 PM

#5000

Entee

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OT but vaguely related. Game continued with a goal kick after this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1sAM4-1LHc

At least Shumacher had the decency to offer to buy Battiston a new set of teeth after that

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