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Grealish attacker jailed for 14 weeks within 24 hours of the incident, odd given anywhere else it'd probably result in an average of 24 hours jail time and take more than 14 weeks to set a court date

03-11-2019 , 12:18 PM

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Elrazor

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Teams now would run rings around 90's teams.

Take how positions have evolved - full-backs now have to be auxiliary attackers and get through far more sprints/distance than their 90s counterparts.

Then there is the technical aspect - Goalkeepers nowadays are better on the ball than 90s centre backs.

03-11-2019 , 12:39 PM

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Neymar would drown in his own tears if he had to play against Stuart Pearce.

Jan Molby would look hilarious in team of today’s players, but could probably ping a pass better than 99% of them.

03-11-2019 , 12:56 PM

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Even a bottom half team today is so much disparity. The difference between Everton (on paper at least) and Huddersfield in quality is gigantic.
I don't think relegation teams today are beating the league winners from 25 years ago. Maybe the next rung though.

I'm not sure the tactice make enough difference compared to say, basketball where the 3 pt revolution means even bad teams should have a great shot vs 90s teams.

03-11-2019 , 01:08 PM

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Teams would have a really tough time coping with the psysical attributes of today's players.

I mean players diets consistent mostly of pints and burgers.

To put it into perspective, probably even PSG would go beyond the querters in the champs cup

03-11-2019 , 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mw828

Question came up from my brother (who doesn’t follow football at all) about improvement in quality in top tier football. I wasn’t too confident what the answer was, so thought I’d ask the thread.

Q: Would a bottom half team in the PL today beat the best teams in the league in the mid 90s? If not, how far back might you have to go, or how high in the table would the current team need to be?

Search Fat Sam Allardyce and you'll have your answer

03-11-2019 , 01:23 PM

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I think yes, just looking at the amazing improvements in fitness/strength/technique would make champo teams today title contents in the 90s.

This is based on today's interpretation of the rules fwiw

03-11-2019 , 01:37 PM

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I think in general today's teams would absolutely dominate teams of 90s, but would, say, 2019 Bournemouth be a favourite over 1998 Arsenal? Not sure about that....

03-11-2019 , 01:42 PM

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How would today's teams do in a 80s league with 80s refs is the more interesting version of the experiment. Especially if there was a way to put it into practice so we could watch.

Would also be interested in seeing how Maradona and Pele would do in today's games with all the extra protection.

03-11-2019 , 02:08 PM

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Peak Maradona with today's ref protection would be a cheat mode.

03-11-2019 , 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mw828

It would be close I think due to increased fitness and physical ability as well as improvement in tactical knowledge etc. But the players are worse at the footballs in many ways. I bet on the mid 90's team here but if it was early 90's I go ham on the bottom half teams. I think late 90s United and Arsenal destroy them so it swings the other way. Wenger has a lot to do with the results of this hypothetical tbh.

03-11-2019 , 02:28 PM

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Grealish attacker jailed for 14 weeks within 24 hours of the incident, odd given anywhere else it'd probably result in an average of 24 hours jail time and take more than 14 weeks to set a court date

It is odd. This seems like a bit of a make an example out of him political job.

03-11-2019 , 02:32 PM

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I don't understand Zidane. What has he got to gain here? They must have driven a dumptruck full of money to his house and promised him Neymar and another £200m to spend or something.

03-11-2019 , 02:33 PM

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I obv don't know anything about mid 90s PL but betting on its teams over today seems dubious given

a) general evolution in professionalism- it's been 25 years. Would people give the 72 Arsenal double team a shot over the 98 one?

b) Cash effect part 1: It sure seems to me that the gap between top teams and middling teams now is bigger than even 15 years ago.

c) Cash effect part 2: surely thanks to btvditw the PL now has more of the world's top players in it than back then.

03-11-2019 , 02:58 PM

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It is odd. This seems like a bit of a make an example out of him political job.

Closest thing I could instantly think of was in 2002 a father/son ran onto the field in an MLB game and attacked the 60 year old first base coach.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/big-l...3277--mlb.html

Link doesn't mention, they both got a couple of years of probation.

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I don't understand Zidane. What has he got to gain here? They must have driven a dumptruck full of money to his house and promised him Neymar and another £200m to spend or something.

I'd take the over on £200 million. Team is old and slow and would be fighting with the likes of United and Arsenal for 4th in England.

03-11-2019 , 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MindFckr

Teams would have a really tough time coping with the psysical attributes of today's players.

I mean players diets consistent mostly of pints and burgers.

this is the area that Wenger had the biggest influence on IMO. Look at the Arsenal team he stepped in to and how he completely changed the culture and nutrition levels by the time they won the double in 98. The players he had were quality to begin with, but just a bit more care (and getting a rid of Merson) did a lot of good for them.

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this incident still gets brought up from time to time when I say that I'm a White Sox fan. My stomach churns each and every time I get reminded about it

03-11-2019 , 03:29 PM

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Could Neymar and Hazard play in the same team? Wouldn't they just get in each others way?

03-11-2019 , 03:31 PM

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It's looking like Hazard is the main target.

03-11-2019 , 03:33 PM

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Elrazor

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Late 90's Utd and Arsenal are the exceptions that prove the rule - they dominated precisely because they were so much more professional.

03-11-2019 , 03:34 PM

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Elrazor

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Hazard over Neymar is a pretty trivial decision for any factor other than shirt sales.

03-11-2019 , 03:35 PM

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Surely it was more about the professionalism of Arsenal v the money of Man Utd.

03-11-2019 , 03:38 PM

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On Hazard, during his stay in England, how many years has he been the best player in the league? Was kinda of surprised he has only won player of the year once.

03-11-2019 , 03:42 PM

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On Hazard, during his stay in England, how many years has he been the best player in the league? Was kinda of surprised he has only won player of the year once.

Every second year he played.