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02-23-2016 , 07:24 AM
I'm 100% sure that people with much better qualifications and resumes than mine have applied to this job. I nailed both interviews, did much better talking to my bosses than what I did during 5 years at uni writing some **** I memorized the night before.
At least where I work, people couldn't care less about your degree.
02-23-2016 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by thedeezy
Pretty cool article about my local club

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...enovation.html


Did I read properly and that only people with $1m+ assets could invest? When my local club had to raise funds they went around doors with buckets.
02-23-2016 , 07:44 AM
Gone are the days when everyone on 2+2 was a uni/college dropout concentrating on poker! - a decade ago every other poster on here was doing that.

An employer requiring a decent degree as standard for an entry job which needs some intelligence/carries responsibility seems reasonable enough to me. Especially if the position is not going to someone currently employed by the company.

It is not fair on the intelligent, responsible young workforce who chose not to go to university but they do get a head start on the experience/climbing the ladder side of things. Ultimately the higher you go there is no substitute for experience and track record and that should be what is required as you get older.

Last edited by SootedPowa; 02-23-2016 at 07:52 AM.
02-23-2016 , 07:46 AM
You gain some momentum and then you don't need a degree
02-23-2016 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MindFckr
You gain some momentum and then you don't need a degree
02-23-2016 , 08:46 AM
02-23-2016 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ZAIDS
Assume employers should take into account what degree people do. There's like a chasm in effort required to achieve even a Desmond when comparing subjects. My experience is once you're in 'real world' whatever that is, your degree classification isn't really important.



+1. Don't think phds are something you can just decide to do. Funding, subject, ability etc

Unless its a specific degree most jobs will involve the employee being upskilled/trained. In general someone who gets a 2:1 and above has shown they

a) Find learning easy

or

b) Are cable of working hard


Both attributes are desirable from an employers perspective when you need to upskill/train someone. That is not to say someone who has a 2:2 cant be a great employee, but they do have a question mark over them.


Just found this:

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And that's mostly because of reports that "around three-quarters of large graduate employers routinely use the 2:1 to sift [job] applications".

Two-thirds (66%) of the full-time students who graduated in 2010-11 would have sailed through that sifting process with their firsts and 2:1s (see chart 9). But 28% (the ones who ended up with a 2:2) would've ended up in the recycling bin, their CVs junked for having one too many twos. A further 6% graduated with thirds.


http://www.theguardian.com/education...grades-are-low
02-23-2016 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by vruuuuk
I'm 100% sure that people with much better qualifications and resumes than mine have applied to this job. I nailed both interviews, did much better talking to my bosses than what I did during 5 years at uni writing some **** I memorized the night before.
At least where I work, people couldn't care less about your degree.

If you don't mind me asking whats your job? and was it a standard interview?
02-23-2016 , 09:13 AM
Yea ceire that seems the best current way of filtering applicants. Of course it will be unfair on exceptions but rules aren't really for exceptions. How do you go about assessing the self taught? I awarded myself a quadruple first last year. Can I have a job in your organisation?
02-23-2016 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ZAIDS
Yea ceire that seems the best current way of filtering applicants. Of course it will be unfair on exceptions but rules aren't really for exceptions. How do you go about assessing the self taught? I awarded myself a quadruple first last year. Can I have a job in your organisation?
Welcome to the abyss that is "internships"
02-23-2016 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ceire
If you don't mind me asking whats your job? and was it a standard interview?
I work for an agency in the business of importing textile yarn from Asia to Portugal (textile still a pretty big deal here). I'm in charge of doing the negotiations with our Turkish/Pak/Chinese/Vietnam supplier. It's basically about creating relationships with people and bringing the prices down, sit all day in my desk skyping, texting and making phone calls.
My degree is International Relations (it's more about politics/diplomacy) and masters in International Business (more towards economics and business development) so not entirely related but still gave me good grounds to work with.

1st interview was pretty standard I think, even thou it was my 1st job interview ever. Questions like "where do you see yourself in 5y", "what are your bigger assets and flaws" "what can you bring to the company" and my personal favorite "why should I hire you and not the girl that just walked out", etc.
2nd one was more of a conversation with the boss, talking more about my personal life and how the events in it developed my personality than actually talking about my degrees or school. I kinda lucked out here because he is a young guy, went to the same uni and was also a party boy during his time
02-23-2016 , 09:39 AM
No offence but why on earth would you assume there were loads of people better qualified than you for that job, you are pretty ****ing heavily qualified for it.

You made it sound like you walked in off the street with just with a diploma from the school of hard knocks.

Yea, only had a masters in International Business, not at all qualified to do a job, doing international business.
02-23-2016 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by vruuuuk
I work for an agency in the business of importing textile yarn from Asia to Portugal (textile still a pretty big deal here). I'm in charge of doing the negotiations with our Turkish/Pak/Chinese/Vietnam supplier. It's basically about creating relationships with people and bringing the prices down, sit all day in my desk skyping, texting and making phone calls.
My degree is International Relations (it's more about politics/diplomacy) and masters in International Business (more towards economics and business development) so not entirely related but still gave me good grounds to work with.

1st interview was pretty standard I think, even thou it was my 1st job interview ever. Questions like "where do you see yourself in 5y", "what are your bigger assets and flaws" "what can you bring to the company" and my personal favorite "why should I hire you and not the girl that just walked out", etc.
2nd one was more of a conversation with the boss, talking more about my personal life and how the events in it developed my personality than actually talking about my degrees or school. I kinda lucked out here because he is a young guy, went to the same uni and was also a party boy during his time
What O.A.F.K.1.1 said lol

but something tells me you also have a lot of intangible CV qualities that you undervalue. A traditional interviews seems standard for a communication/sales job like you described above but in general traditional interviews are a terrible way to assess people. Cant believe so much weight is still put on them by organization over here (can only speak for Ireland)

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02-23-2016 , 09:49 AM
Ok, I might have come out wrong. I also added resume to my post because at the time I had not done anything besides school and playing some sports. No extra curricular activities, no clubs of whatever, no young politics groups, etc. I think it's pretty standard nowadays for young people to engage in those things to add stuff to their CV. Even some part-time jobs during summer. And I'm not that much of an academic either.

Also, I did not assume, the secretary that handled the applications showed me.

Anyway, I agree that to do my job, qualifications aren't at all that important. Knowing how to communicate, persuade and being likeable is much more valuable and I guess you can learn that anywhere. Other jobs with more specific and targeted task will demand much more of your qualifications and I 100% agree that employers must take that into account when trashing some applications otherwise the interviewing process would take forever.
02-23-2016 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by vruuuuk
Ok, I might have come out wrong. I also added resume to my post because at the time I had not done anything besides school and playing some sports. No extra curricular activities, no clubs of whatever, no young politics groups, etc. I think it's pretty standard nowadays for young people to engage in those things to add stuff to their CV. Even some part-time jobs during summer. And I'm not that much of an academic either.

Also, I did not assume, the secretary that handled the applications showed me.

Anyway, I agree that to do my job, qualifications aren't at all that important. Knowing how to communicate, persuade and being likeable is much more valuable and I guess you can learn that anywhere. Other jobs with more specific and targeted task will demand much more of your qualifications and I 100% agree that employers must take that into account when trashing some applications otherwise the interviewing process would take forever.

You would be surprised
02-23-2016 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ceire
What O.A.F.K.1.1 said lol

but something tells me you also have a lot of intangible CV qualities that you undervalue. A traditional interviews seems standard for a communication/sales job like you described above but in general traditional interviews are a terrible way to access people. Cant believe so much weight is still put on them by organization over here (can only speak for Ireland)
You are right on those, I forgot that I did those small interchange(?) student programs in high school. 2 weeks in Denmark + 2 week in Germany. Not that big of a thing I guess, but shows some qualities that others might not have. I also talked briefly about these in that 2nd interview as I mentioned.
Also did Erasmus in Italy for 6 months, that one is probably more important.
02-23-2016 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by vruuuuk
You are right on those, I forgot that I did those small interchange(?) student programs in high school. 2 weeks in Denmark + 2 week in Germany. Not that big of a thing I guess, but shows some qualities that others might not have. I also talked briefly about these in that 2nd interview as I mentioned.
Also did Erasmus in Italy for 6 months, that one is probably more important.
You're hired
02-23-2016 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Yea, only had a masters in International Business, not at all qualified to do a job, doing international business.
lol exactly. Guessing there is lots of people underestimating their value compared to the competition who probably overestimate their value. Guess vruuuk fell into the trap of 'can't apply to x' because didn't show enough pashun for lolstudentpolitics. Won't bother sending my CV.
02-23-2016 , 10:12 AM
Naaah I wasn't even planning on getting a job, wanted to take 1 year off to just relax and try to play some poker actually.
I was only 23 and didn't have any experience, but I saw the job offer and went for it because the company is really big and has lots of potencial for me. 1st CV I ever sent and first job interview I ever did. Won't even mind if they are the last
02-23-2016 , 10:49 AM
Seems like your job gives you plenty of time to play poker too.

Last week Simeone agreed to join Chelsea. This week Conte has agreed.
02-23-2016 , 11:01 AM
Nope, I'm actually working like 11 hours/day right now cuz I crashed my car and can only take rides to/from work at 8am and 8pm playing OFC on mobile plenty of time thou.
02-23-2016 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ZAIDS
Seems like your job gives you plenty of time to play poker too.

Last week Simeone agreed to join Chelsea. This week Conte has agreed.
I think you can conte more on this report.
02-23-2016 , 12:27 PM
That article about Detroit fc was awesome #sportofthefuture
02-23-2016 , 12:28 PM
Speaking of American soccer do you Brits have any particular opinion or care about the men in Blazers pod/show/general schtick?
02-23-2016 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Alabama Man Killed After Trying to Use App to Track Cellphone

http://flip.it/aCpdp

Could have been you Kev.
Haha pretty good memory you have!

      
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