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04-27-2011 , 04:41 PM

#951

kevin21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Messi definitely dives. However he doesn't do it close to as often as most attacking players. He is so good he always thinks he can keep going and score.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aoFrantic

He dives at times, but he rarely throws his arms up/complains/whines to get the FK when he dives. He goes down the same way as when he's usually fouled, takes just as long to get up etc.

Yeah I can get on board with these but those who think he dives just as much as others is simply not true.

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50/50? Yeah keep hating.

04-27-2011 , 04:41 PM

#952

aoFrantic

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Originally Posted by mosdef

I just wanted to make sure that you understood that missing someone on a horrible tackle isn't sufficient justification after the fact to claim it's not a red card. Some people don't know this, they really think it can't be a red card if you don't actually injure someone.

Well, that's why "violent conduct" and "serious foul play" are in the rules.

04-27-2011 , 04:41 PM

#953

saymond

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How many teams in the world would be better than Barcelona if you removed Messi from Barca and put them on XXX team?

04-27-2011 , 04:41 PM

#954

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yeah, i mean is there one player in the world who doesn't dive?

of course Messi dives, but as others have said, less frequently than most good attacking players. he tries to stay on his feet and fight through challenges a lot of times. and when he does dive, he's not a theatrical bitch about it like many others. just out there doin' work, and diving is part of the game. probably earns him some respect from the refs too.

04-27-2011 , 04:42 PM

#955

derwipok

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Lol at Guardiola trolling Real by bringing in Sergi Roberto.

04-27-2011 , 04:42 PM

#956

derwipok

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saymond

How many teams in the world would be better than Barcelona if you removed Messi from Barca and put them on XXX team?

all of them

04-27-2011 , 04:42 PM

#957

Hackdeath

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 425kid

If he goes to ground its probably 50/50 its a dive

That's why he's a world class player, balanced diving range

04-27-2011 , 04:43 PM

#958

BackFromABannin

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El Messico

04-27-2011 , 04:43 PM

#959

kingweed

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Messi doesn't dive lol he reminds me of George Best gets the **** kicked out of him but still keeps going.

He might do it but it's rare.

04-27-2011 , 04:43 PM

#960

Bigindiemen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saymond

How many teams in the world would be better than Barcelona if you removed Messi from Barca and put them on XXX team?

hmm Real Madrid. Possibly Man United

Last edited by Bigindiemen; 04-27-2011 at 04:44 PM. Reason: edit: meh probably a few more

04-27-2011 , 04:44 PM

#961

aoFrantic

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Originally Posted by saymond

How many teams in the world would be better than Barcelona if you removed Messi from Barca and put them on XXX team?

This year? None. Chelsea, ManUtd and RM would be nearly equal. Arsenal, both Milan teams, Bayern, City and prob 2-3 more teams would possibly be in contention as well, but aren't really built to just put Messi in the lineup and reap the full benefits.

edit: Give them a year to build around the best player in the world, get some key pieces in and I think Chelsea/Utd/Arse/RM/Inter would be better.

04-27-2011 , 04:45 PM

#962

Jabonator

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Going to be interesting post-match interviews and whatnot, atleast.

Well, expect a much more fun match next week - unless Real just go out to kick our players - as they need to attack from the get-go.

04-27-2011 , 04:45 PM

#963

TheMetetrown

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Quote:

Originally Posted by derwipok

Lol at Guardiola trolling Real by bringing in Sergi Roberto.

A+ troll.

As for Messi diving, sure he does. Everyone does. But he does it significantly less than most forwards.

Now is a good time for this youtube:

hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb1huc_s8CM

Some of those he's borderline stupid for not going down.

Last edited by TheMetetrown; 04-27-2011 at 04:49 PM. Reason: Fixed link

04-27-2011 , 04:45 PM

#964

kevin21

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OK, I need to see more replays of this Red Card.

04-27-2011 , 04:45 PM

#965

mosdef

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Yes but extrapolating every leg movement into a horrible tackle that missed isn't on either. If it missed everything and the intent was to play the ball but it could have played the leg, then it is not a red. Just because in a parallel universe somewhere it could have been a foul.

Agreed, but the way the other post was worded could be interpreted as saying if he doesn't make contact then it can't be a red, which is wrong.

04-27-2011 , 04:46 PM

#966

Ra_Z_Boy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saymond

How many teams in the world would be better than Barcelona if you removed Messi from Barca and put them on XXX team?

Difficult to say. I would say close to 10.

Quote:

Originally Posted by derwipok

Lol at Guardiola trolling Real by bringing in Sergi Roberto.

LOL

04-27-2011 , 04:46 PM

#967

BASaint

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gordon strachan criticising mourinhos managerial skills.

04-27-2011 , 04:47 PM

#968

Satire

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Messi Doesn't dive

04-27-2011 , 04:47 PM

#969

kitaristi0

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Meh. I think he has played terribly for the most part. Absolutely awful decision making and greed the majority of the time as well as constant cheating (which I guess is +EV). However defensively, tactically and discipline wise he has showed a side I didn't know he had.

Yep, same. Perhaps it was just ignorance on my part but I didn't know he was capable of this kind of disciplined defensive performance.

04-27-2011 , 04:47 PM

#970

kevin21

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Are ITV serious? One replay of the Red Card, seriously?

04-27-2011 , 04:47 PM

#971

aoFrantic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mosdef

Agreed, but the way the other post was worded could be interpreted as saying if he doesn't make contact then it can't be a red, which is wrong.

I meant on that specific tackle, not all tackles. On this specific instance, if no contact was made between Pepe's foot and Alves' leg, he should not have been sent off. I've seen it twice and am not 100% sure, but the ref only had one view and then had 22 players encircle him 2 seconds later. Tough judgment call.

04-27-2011 , 04:48 PM

#972

pbowenroe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigindiemen

Cliffs:

- Madrid are a bitchy/diving/whining/classless team with no intention of going forward.
- Barca are a bitchy/diving/whining/classless team with awesome football.
- Alves, Busquets, Pedro, Pepe, Arbeloa and Ramos should all be banned from football for life
- Messi is the best footballer of all time.

Sums it up pretty perfectly.