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+600 Houston Astros
2 9.09%
+750 Atlanta Braves
3 13.64%
+750 Los Angeles Dodgers
0 0%
+850 New York Yankees
2 9.09%
+900 New York Mets
3 13.64%
+1000 San Diego Padres
2 9.09%
+1200 Toronto Blue Jays
2 9.09%
+1500 Philadelphia Phillies
0 0%
+2000 Seattle Mariners
2 9.09%
Someone else
6 27.27%

06-18-2023 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
You really don't get that my comments on De La Cruz and Wemby is that they are not near the prospects that they appear, and the reason is that the electrifying appearance of talent is not really supported in their make up re fundamentals of the game ... as was, say, Mays and Mantle. And so then you jump on me for acting like they are the greatest prospects, when I'm saying just the opposite. My point is that they could well be fools gold prospects while all the mega buzz surrounds them. When a prospect is scintillating in some respects but unsound, that very likely foretells low outcomes.

The part about Jung, I mean Young, that you whiffed on was I was not speaking of him as a great prospect for the pros at all, as he was indeed on the highly suspect list, but the fact that a blind numbers cruncher misses all reality by getting caught up in the numbers. They'll then gladly do things like reject all reason if the player appeared 1st on one list, 2nd on another, 4th on another ... pointing to the 4th list saying, "See. He isn't 1st or 2nd. YOU'RE STUPID!" That, I assure you, is nothing more than your need to attack people for being stupid. Meanwhile, Young is the greatest combination of running/passing the college game has ever seen and that just kind of gets missed in such stupid numbers crunching.

Further, Vince melted down when he was no longer the super stud mismatch miles above the competition, he failed at the new demands and challenges he was faced with ... and busted. That factor is highly in play in Wemby's outcome forecast. But you can't find it in the numbers. Some combination of Leaf, Zion, Wie, Vince, Sampson light, Mandarich, Jamarcus, Tebow, Manziel ... The thing is developmental. The more awesomely gifted one is, and the more coddled since birth, the more vulnerable they are to this kind of bust. "Oh but how do you know Wemby was coddled since birth!!?? Do you have video from his natal care unit? Do you have interviews and statistics from his pre-school care givers? I take everything literally, you know." LOL.

I'm not hating on players ... I am merely projecting outcomes. It's fine with me if Wemby turns out to be a superstar like you apparently assume is way odds-on. And if there is actual greatness there, I'll be all for it. These types of awesome physical tools are not presumed to be realized into greatness. The bigger they are, the harder the fall seems.
No, you're still just a sad **** who is literally blaming prospects that didn't make it because they weren't good enough (and there was every indication that they didn't have the skills) and pretending that this was because they were too gifted or some nonsense.

EDLC is a super high-risk prospect because it's not clear if he can hit. This has nothing to do with him being coddled - it's just that most people can't hit at the MLB level, athletically gifted or not. Vince Young likewise couldn't pass at the pro level and we kind of knew that already. You're talking them up - even though this was all part of the consensus opinion at the time - to make it sound like you had some crystal ball. Most athletes don't pan out at the highest level because mathematically it has to be that way. Athletic gifts make it less likely that a given prospect might bust, it's just that they also raise expectations.

Also, none of this has to do with Wemby - he's not some athletic freak who's relatively unskilled at the core aspects of the game. What's going on is that you have absolutely no ability to analyze athletes for who they are and have no sport-specific knowledge, so you're just going off cliches (coddled star athletes, lol) and not understanding the differences.

If anything Wemby's bust route is almost the exact opposite as the bust route for athletic QBs who couldn't pass at the NFL level. Those guys absolutely needed to learn to pass better and stop instinctively leaning on their athleticism every time. Wemby's likeliest non-injury bust route would be him not leaning on his size and athleticism and insisting on playing on the perimeter, while his perimeter game not quite being elite enough at the NBA level. Of course his GOAT route is the same, but his perimeter game actually developing in a way that makes him unstoppable.
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06-18-2023 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
FWIW Judge is still that guy. He hasn't gotten worse this year he's just had freak injuries.

He was leading MLB in OPS by a mile and only dropped off because he no longer qualifies on playing time.

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I hear what you're saying but I'm not talking about Ohtani's season so far, just the stretch that he's had where it feels like something big is going to happen every AB. Judge probably had such a streak at some point during this season as well. Judge is probably still the best hitter in the game, though who knows how the injury affects him - the back foot is really important for your swing. The gap in OPS has also narrowed considerably - 1016 vs 1078. It's certainly close enough that Ohtani is in the conversation as the best hitter in the game moving forward. Keep in mind LHB numbers for the last couple of seasons are a bit deflated due to the use of extreme shifts that are now banned.
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06-18-2023 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
No, you're still just a sad **** who is literally blaming prospects that didn't make it because they weren't good enough (and there was every indication that they didn't have the skills) and pretending that this was because they were too gifted or some nonsense.

EDLC is a super high-risk prospect because it's not clear if he can hit. This has nothing to do with him being coddled - it's just that most people can't hit at the MLB level, athletically gifted or not. Vince Young likewise couldn't pass at the pro level and we kind of knew that already. You're talking them up - even though this was all part of the consensus opinion at the time - to make it sound like you had some crystal ball. Most athletes don't pan out at the highest level because mathematically it has to be that way. Athletic gifts make it less likely that a given prospect might bust, it's just that they also raise expectations.

Also, none of this has to do with Wemby - he's not some athletic freak who's relatively unskilled at the core aspects of the game. What's going on is that you have absolutely no ability to analyze athletes for who they are and have no sport-specific knowledge, so you're just going off cliches (coddled star athletes, lol) and not understanding the differences.

If anything Wemby's bust route is almost the exact opposite as the bust route for athletic QBs who couldn't pass at the NFL level. Those guys absolutely needed to learn to pass better and stop instinctively leaning on their athleticism every time. Wemby's likeliest non-injury bust route would be him not leaning on his size and athleticism and insisting on playing on the perimeter, while his perimeter game not quite being elite enough at the NBA level. Of course his GOAT route is the same, but his perimeter game actually developing in a way that makes him unstoppable.
I told you who I am. STFU in my world.
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06-18-2023 , 08:17 PM
SF swept LA away and are on a nice streak
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06-19-2023 , 03:50 PM
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Before Corbin Carroll how many other people have won ROY & MVP in the same year?
MVP is gonna be your true favorite player, Ronald Acuna
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06-19-2023 , 04:04 PM
Harris II
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06-19-2023 , 04:08 PM
Guy was a GAWD in their only World Series this millenium and it's not like the names that are in over him were anything great.

David Freese is way more synonymous with "great Cardinal" than Jose Oquendo or Max Lanier. There's gotta be something bigger here
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06-19-2023 , 05:25 PM
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Guy was a GAWD in their only World Series this millenium
That depends on when their millennium started.
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06-19-2023 , 05:48 PM
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David Freese is way more synonymous with "great Cardinal" than Jose Oquendo or Max Lanier.
wrong

the only reason Freese was voted in was because of that one World Series season. Not knocking it btw or saying he wasn't a good player. But, in the grand scheme of things, I can understand why he turned down the invitation. He grew up around STL, knows the team's (long) history, and my guess is that he decided what he did overall when he played for the Cards paled in comparison to other guys in the Cards Hall of Fame. btw Freese played more seasons with other teams than he did with STL.
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06-19-2023 , 06:07 PM
this was the most impressive play i've seen this year in any sport. hits an 84 MPH rocket to the first baseman and beats him to the bag.
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06-19-2023 , 07:17 PM
Goat

Reds lead that division here shortly
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06-19-2023 , 08:37 PM
Tigazzzzz
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06-19-2023 , 10:59 PM
Red Sox Wong looks like a white guy and Refsnyder looks Asian.

Tatis Jr best fielding RF already? See his throw? 99.5 mph. Pads big 4 game series vs Giants, creep back into this thing.
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06-19-2023 , 11:35 PM
This weekend, Petco Park hit their 27th and 28th sellout games this season, with two packed crowds against the Rays.

The previous franchise record was 26 sellouts, set last year. It's a party.
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06-20-2023 , 12:14 AM
I do remember how exciting the first 2 weeks of Billy Hamilton's career was.
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06-20-2023 , 06:41 AM
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wrong

the only reason Freese was voted in was because of that one World Series season. Not knocking it btw or saying he wasn't a good player. But, in the grand scheme of things, I can understand why he turned down the invitation. He grew up around STL, knows the team's (long) history, and my guess is that he decided what he did overall when he played for the Cards paled in comparison to other guys in the Cards Hall of Fame. btw Freese played more seasons with other teams than he did with STL.

His career doesn’t stack up to guys like Jose Oquendo and Max Lanier ?!
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06-20-2023 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by anatta
Red Sox Wong looks like a white guy and Refsnyder looks Asian.

Tatis Jr best fielding RF already? See his throw? 99.5 mph. Pads big 4 game series vs Giants, creep back into this thing.
Ya about that
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06-20-2023 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LFC_USA
His career doesn’t stack up to guys like Jose Oquendo and Max Lanier ?!
correct with lanier.

probably yes with oquendo on the field. oquendo was more of an ultimate utility player tho. he wound up playing all 9 positions with the cardinals. how many other players can claim that in their career? he has had a longer stint being a coach, including being on the coaching staff for the 2 World Series the Cards have won this century. He is still on their staff as a player development coach. He's been in the Cardinal organization since 1985. so his induction is probably more of a (deserved) career service award.
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06-20-2023 , 02:39 PM
I’ll take the World Series MVP over a utility guy/bench coach
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06-20-2023 , 02:40 PM
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I’ll take the World Series MVP over a utility guy/bench coach
ok
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06-20-2023 , 05:01 PM
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I’ll take the World Series MVP over a utility guy/bench coach
That's basically the old peak vs longevity discussion where we'll never get to any agreement.
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06-20-2023 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by anatta
Red Sox Wong looks like a white guy and Refsnyder looks Asian.

Tatis Jr best fielding RF already? See his throw? 99.5 mph. Pads big 4 game series vs Giants, creep back into this thing.
Maybe that's because Refsnyder was born in Korea and adopted by a couple living in California.
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06-20-2023 , 10:54 PM
Yeah that's what the fake news media wants you to believe.
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06-20-2023 , 11:22 PM
Rangers (and bettors) got ****ed out of a major decision tonight, which likely cost them a real shot to win the game.





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06-21-2023 , 12:29 AM
Not the worst time to be a giants fan, won’t lie
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