EDLC is certainly not the most powerful player in the league and while he's among the fastest players, I'm not sure if he's the fastest. Also acceleration is more important than top speed in baseball, so at his length, I'd be surprised if his effective game speed is the best in the majors.

Also, I'm pretty sure neither Mantle nor Mays was simultaneously the fastest and the most powerful player in MLB. They were elite hitters who put up monster stats, about whom all kinds of stories are told because they were legends. There really aren't strong indications that EDLC is an elite hitter - I mean, it's hard to tell at that point who's going to become an elite hitter, so maybe EDLC is going to become one, but that's not what the projections say. In fact, batted ball data presently show that he's probably a below-average hitter at the MLB level.

Also, everything you seem to be saying about Puig is wrong. By MLB standards, he wasn't some off-the-chart speciman - his last season in MLB, at age 28, his max exit velo was in the 95th percentile, average exit velo was in the 66th percentile and his sprint speed was in the 78th percentile. These are all great, but he's not as good an athlete (even in terms of raw measurables) than the likes of Acuna Jr, Tatis Jr or Ohtani. Puig also wasn't a bust - instead he had a better career than expected. He had roughly 18 WAR over 7 seasons, after signing a free agent deal worth 42 million over 7 years in 2013. If you look up, $ per WAR in 2013 was around 7.5M - so he was roughly 3 times as valuable than teams thought.

Again, it's not like you're kind of wrong about some things and kind of right about somethings. Your posts are so bad and so wrong about everything - they betray a complete lack of any actual knowledge about sports and general inability to think. It would be great if you just stopped posting.

Again, GTFO here with your completely absurd fringe opinion on Wemby - do you watch sports at all? Shooting for a dominant 7-5 athlete in basketball is entirely optional - it's crazy that he has such advanced perimeter skills at all. Also, what is even your argument, other than your bizarre hatred of modern atheletes that have gifted measurables?

Hitting for a position player is not optional and EDLC presently projects to be below average at actually hitting the baseball.

Like what the ****ing are you blabbering about? EDLC is quite unlikely to get into the HoF - that's like not a realistic range for him at the moment at all. And obviously you can't bet on something where the outcome won't be known for like 4+ decades.

Again, your entire MO here seems to be randomly hating on athletes and posting bizarre and terrible speculations with absolutely no support. It's sad and awful - please stop.

Does make you wonder if he'd literally be putting Bonds/Ruth numbers if he just focused on hitting. Doing both has to be hurting his numbers on both sides, from fatigue and the inability to truly focus and prepare (both mentally and physically) right? You can certainly make an argument that he might be simultaneously the most talented pitcher and the most talented hitter alive.

he's such an incredible unicorn and we're lucky he wasn't born here and lucky he wanted to come to the US when he was 18 or there's no way he'd be allowed to do both. The only reason he was allowed to do both in Japan was bc he was ready to come to the US and the team that drafted him in an effort to get to him to stay in Japan agreed he could pitch and hit (and play the outfield.)

Yes doing both has to take away from each individually- but overall he has to be more valuable this way. If he was just mediocre at both that would be quite impressive. Being talented enough to be this good at both and then actually doing both at the same time is still hard to believe even though its his 6th year. When you here other players talk about him it's obvious how in awe of Ohtani they are. It's one thing for us fans to be in awe but these are guys who have trained for this their entire lives, are the best of the best and still they cant fathom how he does it. Someone is always going to be the best hitter- someone will always be the best pitcher. And those guys will have the respect of their peers. But nobody is going to be looked at by fellow MLB players the way Ohtani is.

Halfway through his rookie season I remember reading that his first month of the season he had the most high and inside fastballs thrown to left handed hitters in all of MLB bc the book on him was he couldn't hit them. In his third month he had the LEAST high and inside fastballs thrown to him of all lefty hitters bc he was launching them into outer space.

People forget he had an awful spring training that year as a hitter and there was even talk about him not breaking camp with the Angels or only pitching.

lol@at moron Mike Socia not letting him bat for 3 games every time he pitched.

Yeah I remember this time period and it was magical - It's easy to forget that Ohtani was briefly considered an MVP candidate shortly after his debut because he was doing this right away:



And he never really stopped - it's just mostly injuries that got in the way and he won the MVP the first full season where he was healthy on both sides of the ball.

Totally, the whole infamous high school hitter debacle. With that said, he truly looked awful (on both sides of the ball) and had not-so-flattering scouting reports on his hit tool even before that spring. Then he ditched the leg kick completely - I still don't understand why this matters so much for players, it's just load/timing - and never really stopped hitting.

Yeah, people don't realize how much preparation goes into doing both - it's not like you learn how to hit, then you can just continue to hit well without further adjustments, the amount of practice, adjustments you make to how pitchers attack you, studying pitchers, etc, etc - it's pretty insane. People talk about how he's just a DH, but fielding requires much less maintenance than hitting because it's not a moving target, you just have to keep your skills sharp, there's no conspiracy to hit balls that are particularly hard for you to field. Hitting and pitching are constantly moving targets because of the need to continually reinvent yourself to respond to other players figuring out how best to attack you and also how small the margin of error is as you tweak your pitches and swing. You slightly change how much pressure you put on each finger with the same grip and the ball moves completely differently. You add another pitch to your mix and now changes your feel for your existing pitches. And you change slightly how your head moves during your swing and you start to mishit everything. It's mind-boggling that he has the ability to do either at an extremely high level, doing both at the same time is just completely absurd.

I think Uncle Steve is going to offer Ohtani 100M/year.

Yea he looked atrocious at the plate in ST and then if memory serves right he homered his first 3 regular seaosn games and took a perfect game into the 7th of 8th in his second or third start.

Dodger making his mlb debut has a no hitter and a 4-0 lead after 6

He’s pulled with a no hitter

It’s 5-4 giants

God bless you Dave Roberts

But he threw 89 pitches. My god how is his arm still attached?!

To those who didn’t watch this game….uhhh

Watch the bottom of the 11th. Lol doyers. Lol betts

Cliffs: the giants had 2 errors on a single popup and came out ahead

Freeman struck out on 3 pitches to end the game in the ensuing AB

Analytics bro! Guy prob gonna get Tommy John’d tomorrow for throwing so late into a baseball game

You actually took the time to write that rant? That's like the gold standard for analosity. I'm not in the market for a super anal, super bitchy, super troll. When I'm in the house, stop talking about gambling. You are going to want to follow my fringe opinions. They're GOAT material and have been for half a century and cut off around the globe. FYI.

Like maybe Mantle was in the 98 percentile or so in power/speed, maybe not number one in both which of course isn't even an exact stat to start with ... but leave it to the super anal to throw it out because it can't be proven he was number one in both. LOL. Never mind the actual point about the spectacular and electrifying combination of power/speed, we are going to take things super literally, i.e. stupidly, to claim the whole point is meaningless because he might not be #1 in both. It reminds me of a few years back when Vince Young was a junior, I claimed him as the best runner AND best passer in college football, while other people were winning Heismans no less, this guy was the GOAT college player EVER for a season. But some super anal ijit came in and said, no he's the second most efficient passer in the NCAA, not the first. "You are wrong, wrong, wrong! You're lying! You're stupid!" ... he ranted. I had to shake my head at the anal cluelessness of it. I was appalled. GTFOOH.

Probably has to brush his teeth with his left hand today after such a heavy workload.

Thanks for sharing that you have some uncompensated need to feel superior to others and that's behind your need to post absurd, yet entirely boring contrarian takes about elite athletes, but I don't do therapy sessions over the internet without payments, please keep your weird outbursts between you and your therapist.

Also, you're a ****ing clown sharing clown takes, let's be very clear about that.

I know you're having a lot of trouble processing simple information - it has not escaped my attention that you don't seem to have comprehended my last few posts - so this might have completely gone over your head but the point is that the main reason why we talk about Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays is because they were great hitters and overall baseball players. That's what's notable about them - if they were great athletes but weren't great hitters, no one would care. Likewise, if they were great hitters, but without elite measurables, they'd still be remembered.

I mean we don't even know their measurables, but we talk about them because they were some of the greatest hitters in baseball history and their particular claim to fame is that, of those great hitters, they stand out in terms of athleticism. Comparing EDLC to them as though anyone expects him to have that type of career at the moment, seemingly as to make your prediction of his failure somewhat novel is pure nonsense. EDLC is considered a high-risk FV 60 prospect, if he didn't even become a productive MLB player, it wouldn't be particularly surprising.

I mean, I don't know what the **** is going on in that paragraph - please seek help if needed - but it's not surprising that you also had terrible takes about Vince Young. There was never a point where he was the best passer in college football and in any case, you can't evaluate college QBs purely based on their stats. Purely as a passer, Vince Young didn't project to be a great QB prospect at all - it was entirely about his size and athleticism maybe enabling him to succeed in the QB position, as a hybrid runner/passer. I know this is hard for you because you have no actual ability to understand anything - it seems like everything you think you know is from taking low-effort sports journalism hot takes seriously and tweaking them a little.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...es-charged-dui

Kinda hilarious..

I saw "MLB charged dui" in the link and assumed Larissa was back on the road.

Before Corbin Carroll how many other people have won ROY & MVP in the same year?

Ichiro son I know, after looking it up Fred Lynn too. Corbin won't be the third, but I'm on the Dback train.

You really don't get that my comments on De La Cruz and Wemby is that they are not near the prospects that they appear, and the reason is that the electrifying appearance of talent is not really supported in their make up re fundamentals of the game ... as was, say, Mays and Mantle. And so then you jump on me for acting like they are the greatest prospects, when I'm saying just the opposite. My point is that they could well be fools gold prospects while all the mega buzz surrounds them. When a prospect is scintillating in some respects but unsound, that very likely foretells low outcomes.

The part about Jung, I mean Young, that you whiffed on was I was not speaking of him as a great prospect for the pros at all, as he was indeed on the highly suspect list, but the fact that a blind numbers cruncher misses all reality by getting caught up in the numbers. They'll then gladly do things like reject all reason if the player appeared 1st on one list, 2nd on another, 4th on another ... pointing to the 4th list saying, "See. He isn't 1st or 2nd. YOU'RE STUPID!" That, I assure you, is nothing more than your need to attack people for being stupid. Meanwhile, Young is the greatest combination of running/passing the college game has ever seen and that just kind of gets missed in such stupid numbers crunching.

Further, Vince melted down when he was no longer the super stud mismatch miles above the competition, he failed at the new demands and challenges he was faced with ... and busted. That factor is highly in play in Wemby's outcome forecast. But you can't find it in the numbers. Some combination of Leaf, Zion, Wie, Vince, Sampson light, Mandarich, Jamarcus, Tebow, Manziel ... The thing is developmental. The more awesomely gifted one is, and the more coddled since birth, the more vulnerable they are to this kind of bust. "Oh but how do you know Wemby was coddled since birth!!?? Do you have video from his natal care unit? Do you have interviews and statistics from his pre-school care givers? I take everything literally, you know." LOL.

I'm not hating on players ... I am merely projecting outcomes. It's fine with me if Wemby turns out to be a superstar like you apparently assume is way odds-on. And if there is actual greatness there, I'll be all for it. These types of awesome physical tools are not presumed to be realized into greatness. The bigger they are, the harder the fall seems.

FWIW Judge is still that guy. He hasn't gotten worse this year he's just had freak injuries.

He was leading MLB in OPS by a mile and only dropped off because he no longer qualifies on playing time.

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https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/d...heavily-on-me/

Huh?

(Not you Schlitz the article)

Seemed to me like Freese didnt feel like he was deserving.