Not when he’ll cost 18 a year after 30 years old, like ab is great but he wasn’t nearly as great without Ben. Like if you got his production with Ben, he would be worth that going forward. It’s no guarantee with Carr. His price by picks wasn’t that much for a guy with his production but that but plus his contract demands plus his antics lately mean that most teams didn’t think what ab ended up getting was a steal. Ab was the only big winner here.

His last year in Pittsburgh Wallace went 64/836/8 in 15 games, in his next two seasons at Miami he averaged 70/896/7.5 in 16 games.

And lol at comparing him to AB. Funny how the Steelers produced one of the best offenses in the NFL over the coming years when AB became the number one

what's the o/u on AB's receiving yards - 1100?

I’d go higher every day of the week

I'd only go on Sundays.

And maybe a Saturday at the end of the college season?

Can someone explain why the Raiders gave him 30 mil in guaranteed money?

Cause that’s what he wanted...he was all about cash especially guaranteed money and the raiders were likely giving him the most. They have money to burn. Maybe ab will help with Vegas ticket sales.

Not sure how the money and cap works but that 30 million can be used up in 2 years and he should still be elite the next 2 years.

Did he have a no trade clause where he could veto a trade?

Buffalo inquired. AB said he isn't playing for Buffalo so Buffalo has no incentive to trade for him. It's not a real no trade clause but it's pretty much a no trade clause.

Do you not remember what the Raiders paid Gruden?

Reminder: http://www.isgrudengoneyet.com/

pretty sure he just decided he wouldn't play for teams unless the renegotiated his contract. he very publicly stated he would retire. so thats essentially a no trade clause.

He just got paid big time for the first time on his last deal. AB was all about the money. He made around 333k per his first deal, 8M per his second and 14 per his last deal but the bump he got with Oakland.

Historically in the NFL, WR's fall off a cliff just like RB's at about the same age.

Whether that ends up being Brown or not, well the Raiders will find out.

The list of WR's older than Brown in the league atm (ignoring ST'ers)
Larry Fitz, Ted Ginn, Jordy Nelson, Amendola (who has never had a 700 yd season in the league), Edelman, Mike Wallace, Pierre Garcon, Desean Jackson, Emmanuel Sanders, Demaryius Thomas, Michael Crabtree.

Lots of those guys didn't produce last season for whatever reason and some of them really haven't for a few seasons including Brandon Marshall who is now out of the league.

His age, AJ Green, Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, Chris Hogan.

Brown's pit contract was fine but paying him top dollar now is hilarious. Basically this season Brown should still be good but after that historically he won't be close to the top guy.

I like your style that_pope, even though you bet KK into trup QQ.

The comparison was in that Mike Wallace was viewed by many as the better receiver and the Steeler's let him go yet still found success in the other guys Emmanuel Sanders and Brown. Martavis Bryant. Markus Wheaton, etc and now you have young JuJu lighting up the stat sheet and on historic pace after just two years in the league.

Before the aforementioned guys Steelers had Santonio Holmes as their number one receiver, who by the way they traded away for a fifth round pick which would eventually be used to get Brown.

The Steeler's haven't seemed to have a problem ever since Ben hit his prime to find a quality air game regardless who lines up with Ben on offense. At some point people are going to have to give Ben some credit for the success of these receivers. Nobody deny's Brown's talent but give me a break if you think he would have put up those same numbers in most other organizations during that same time period.

They were 13-3 the year prior with the exact same players, other than Bell.

They scored more ppg last year than 2 seasons ago. Their d got 3 ppg worse. They lost 4 games at the end of season by 16 points including by 3 to the Saints on the road. So their d was worse and so was their luck. They were basically their expected wins in 2018 and ran 2 games above expectation in 2017.

Pretty impressive that Amendola has been so mediocre for so long, but is still getting paid.

Lions just signed him to a 1/$4.5m with incentives up to $5.75m.

In other old WR news, DJax wants to be traded, preferably to the Eagles, but might just get cut because it seems his market may be less than the 1/$10m left on his contract.

I thought Holmes got traded for so little because he glassed a woman in a club, which is another lolSteelers incident where he gets the boot but Ben sexually assaulting a woman a month earlier gets no punishment from the team.

I'm not denying Ben should get a lot of credit for AB's numbers but there's a reason why Wallace, Sanders, Bryant etc. weren't/aren't held anywhere close to the same recognition AB is

Malik Jackson expected to sign with the eagles

Trent Brown to Raiders 4/66/37.

Has disaster written all over it.

I’d much rather pay the pats OL coach a tenth of that.

Argument presented by thread: Mike Wallace was considered good and floundered without Ben.

Counterargument:
Last year with the Steelers was 64/839/8 (13.1 YPC)
First year with the Dolphins was 73/930/5 (12.7 YPC)



Argument presented by thread: Santonio Holmes was considered good and floundered without Ben

Counterargument:
Last year in Pitt was his best season at 79/1248/5 over 16 games which is 4.9 catches a game, 78 yards per game, and 15.8 yards per catch

First year in New York he put up 52/746/6 over 10 games which is 5.2 catches a game, 74.6 yards per game, and 14.3 yards per catch



Overall argument presented by thread:

A combination of this quote

and the notion that every other major WR Pitt let leave fell off a cliff, which means that the WRs are a product of the QB and system and AB will be no different.


General counterargument:

The idea that the others fell off a cliff is just a myth. Both Wallace and Holmes were right around where they were in Pitt with their new teams (with Tannehill and Sanchez as QB!). You also have Emmanuel Sanders who performed better when traded to Denver but given that it involved the literal GOAT throwing to him I'm ok just ignoring that one if you want to. There is no evidence to show that those players were a product of Ben or the Pitt system. Those players did eventually fall off - and it was certainly correct for Pitt to not sign them to long term deals - but it wasn't as soon as they left the team.

They just traded Brown - who has been a top 3 WR for the last 5 years and is coming off of a 104/1297/15 year in 15 games for peanuts. There is no logical reasoning to think he's going to fall off a cliff. They only had him for two more years (so not a long term deal where they had to worry about eventual decline) and yet the general consensus is that it's somehow lolraiders because Gruden has made loldecisions before.

It's a bad take thread. Bad, bad take.