Meh, they still have a ways to go IMO. Offensively they're still terrible, I think Carrol (QB) is a true freshman though.

I've been a JPW supporter, but it's getting tough to keep it up. I haven't blamed a loss on him alone all year, but that loss to State is squarely on his shoulders. State couldn't sustain a drive on us the entire game.

pvn: I suspect Bama to get better over the next several years. They have traditionally done well in getting a lot of the Mississippi talent, particularly from South Panola, MS (which is a perennial HS powerhouse and virtual talent factory). I suspect though, that Croom might be edging in on "your" territory for upstate MS athletes. (Hopefully LSU continues to dominate the Gulf coast, Moss Point/Biloxi/Gulfport/Gautier area, which is the most talent rich.)

GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEC WEST CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone interested in a SEC basketball thread? Rebuilding for a lot of teams out there but UT is obviously good. I think Arky is overrated. Other than that, totally unsure what is going to happen.

Gators look miles ahead of where most freshman have been in the program before. The freshman class is sick.

and lsu is going to [censored] blow again.
thanks to john brady.

Vandy is playing with a competent big man (Ogilvy, highly rated recruit) for the first time in god knows how long. As someone who's had season tickets for a few years, it's almost unbelievable how different they've been to watch in their first two games. Vandy's biggest problem is how young they are: if their starters are off the floor, it's practically only freshman out there.

Hopefully Ogilvy sticks around for a couple years. Some places are already projecting him as a first round draft pick after this season.

My Vols are Final Four contenders, and if Brian Williams plays all season like he's shown so far, we have a real chance at a title.

And I'll say again that I agree with all your points. My only other comment is when does how you win matter versue the fact that you've beat mutiple top 25 teams, several of them in a row actually, matter.

The whole point of the BCS (imperfect I know) was to get away from "style" points determining who played in the championship game.

Also, let me point out that I believe that Kansas should be the #1 team in the country. And if they win out...sorry for Oregon but they absolutley deserve a shot at LSU and the title.

Eight experts (or "experts") talk about their opinions/rankings of the BCS conferences for 2007.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ngs/index.html

All 8 pick the SEC as the #1 conference.

It should be "Sorry for LSU, but Kansas deserves a shot at Oregon."

SEC is the best, the depth of the SEC is just insane, but some of you other SEC teams need to get your [censored] together & schedule some OOC games and it wouldn't even be disputable.

lol, imagine if FSU & Miami are any good and Hawaii has Colt Brenan back, those are the 3 teams UF has OOC next year.

Would probably be the hardest schedule ever if we didn't get Auburn off the schedule(if those teams were good still).

Fortunately for the Gators, it should shape up to be easier than this year.

TFG: I think UF will be scary good next year. This year our year. Your year is next year.

2009... that is up in the air. I predict LSU and UF will have the best offenses in CFB that year -- #1 and #2. I'm not sure who will be first, but both will have SICK talent.

The real question comes down to when will the other conferences start a playoff so we can see who the 13th best team in the nation is?

LSU has sick talent this year. They don't need more of that. What they need is a coach. Lloyd Carr PLEASE DO NOT "retire"!!!

Tebow for president....

what a [censored] beast

i post on an LSU forum as well, tigerdroppings.com, and some of the people on there are LOL ******ed...they say that once miles leaves, nick saban will come back to LSU and pick up right where he left off...
who, in reality, do you think will replace miles when he (ldo) leaves for Michigan?

Tubberville, maybe?

Is pelini in discussions? I know that people here in NE are talking about wanting B.P. to come here next year.

Moody, Harvin, Murphy, Cooper, Fayson, Rainey, and their ring leader Tebow with two stud back ups in C. newton and Brantley.

The Gators are going to be so sick offensively next year i can't [censored] wait

Orange and others involved in the "who come after Miles?" discussion: M2TR has pointed out elsewhere that LSU is likely the best coaching gig in all of football. I think he is likely correct. We can get a LOT of top quality head coaches to replace Miles.

I have made a lot of jokes about Les Miles being a very clutch coach -- but all kidding aside (get ready to flame), when you consider all factors, I don't think he is THAT bad overall. He is a pretty bad game manager, but he did an excellent job in salvaging a 2005 season that was decimated by the bitch Katrina, into a success. All in all, we could do worse.

That said, I would be happy with an upgrade. No way we get Saban of course (and yeah, those LSU message board people can be really dumb!). One name that have seen pipe dreaming around is Bill Cower! Ha! Doubtful, but what a beautiful thought. I will file that right after A-Rod coming to the Cardinals in my "never gonna happen but man, I really really wish" file.

Tubby possibly, though it seems A&M will mortgage the entire university to get him.

I'm sure Paul Williams will be mentioned, since his name comes up for every better-than-average coaching position that opens up.

Jimbo Fisher?

We could do worse.

Here is a weird one, that is risky but potentially huge: Major Applewhite.

EDIT: Way too young. Eh. Not happening.

I'd like for my Vols to hire Brent Venables. Make it happen plz

Yeah. Applewhite might end up as Head Coach at a mid-major school in the next couple of years, but I don't think any big program is looking to invest just yet.

some interesting info for you Gator fans:

Ron Zook in his 3 years:
16-8 v the SEC

Urban Meyer
17-7 v the SEC


The only NFL starters Ron Zook inherited
source: Frank Frangie

wonder how many guys Zook left for Meyer will look in their NFL careers and see how the comparison works

Zook did fine in the SEC really, especially against tougher opponents in the SEC but couldn't beat bad teams or FSU/Miami.

What's your point about the Zook players?
Zook doesn't really have any players in the NFL that he coached that are anything special, not that your HBC is the only factor as it is. In fact, see Bobby McCray and Jeremy Mincey are two of the younger Gator talents of Zook who underachieved at Florida and now are excelling in the NFL. I don't think any of his better players are doing much of anything, but like I said it's silly to even contemplate because 1)their careers aren't over and 2)Zook was only there for 3 years)

We can see down the road about the ones that he left for Meyer, but it doesn't really matter. Most of them don't have NFL talent but excelled at the college level like: Baker, Siler, EE under Meyer.

I can see Moss & Thomas excelling in the NFL, but Thomas has always been a headcase/huge talent.