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09-12-2015 , 01:39 PM
The first O8 event of WCOOP is today

GL Ladies
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09-12-2015 , 01:58 PM
Gl guys!
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09-12-2015 , 07:00 PM
gl guys sick billygstar is second in chips. not winning anything the whole year now going run hot in wcoop event. must be nice
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09-13-2015 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by omybike
gl guys sick billygstar is second in chips. not winning anything the whole year now going run hot in wcoop event. must be nice
how fun is it having Benny Spindler on your left?
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09-13-2015 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pandick


how fun is it having Benny Spindler on your left?
damm was that benny spindler.no suprise he go allin with every hand close to bubble. it suck i came in that position
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09-13-2015 , 08:22 PM
Biggest pot of the tournament so far with 9 left. Was for 1/3 of the total chips in the tournament:

    Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (1,600/3,200 blinds, 320 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37115822

    MarekW13 (BB): 115,058 (36 bb)
    rtspurs (CO): 186,521 (58.3 bb)
    nizmo jiz (BTN): 449,087 (140.3 bb)
    toweliestar (SB): 395,038 (123.4 bb)

    Preflop:
    rtspurs folds, nizmo jiz raises to 8,000, toweliestar raises to 32,000, MarekW13 folds, nizmo jiz calls 24,000

    Flop: (68,480) 6 Q 2 (2 players)
    toweliestar checks, nizmo jiz bets 54,784, toweliestar raises to 362,718 and is all-in, nizmo jiz calls 307,934

    Turn: (793,916) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (793,916) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: 793,916 pot
    Final Board: 6 Q 2 T 5
    nizmo jiz showed 4 T Q A and won 793,916 (398,878 net)
    toweliestar showed 6 8 2 5 and lost (-395,038 net)



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    09-13-2015 , 10:24 PM
    Another 700k pot, this time at the final table.

      Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (5,000/10,000 blinds, 1,000 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37115826

      chickensssss (BB): 379,621 (38 bb)
      rtspurs (MP): 237,154 (23.7 bb)
      MarekW13 (CO): 412,471 (41.2 bb)
      nizmo jiz (BTN): 352,964 (35.3 bb)
      stevie444 (SB): 1,007,790 (100.8 bb)

      Preflop:
      rtspurs folds, MarekW13 raises to 20,000, nizmo jiz raises to 80,000, 2 folds, MarekW13 calls 60,000

      Flop: (180,000) J 6 J (2 players)
      MarekW13 checks, nizmo jiz bets 59,400, MarekW13 calls 59,400

      Turn: (298,800) K (2 players)
      MarekW13 checks, nizmo jiz bets 212,564 and is all-in, MarekW13 calls 212,564

      River: (723,928) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: 723,928 pot
      Final Board: J 6 J K 6
      MarekW13 showed 2 J K A and won 723,928 (370,964 net)
      nizmo jiz showed A 7 4 A and lost (-352,964 net)



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      09-13-2015 , 10:25 PM
      Biggest pot of the tournament:

        Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,200 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37115827

        chickensssss (BB): 405,981 (33.8 bb)
        rtspurs (CO): 220,554 (18.4 bb)
        MarekW13 (BTN): 747,035 (62.3 bb)
        stevie444 (SB): 1,016,430 (84.7 bb)

        Preflop:
        2 folds, stevie444 raises to 1,015,230 and is all-in, chickensssss calls 392,781 and is all-in

        Flop: (814,362) J 6 J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        Turn: (814,362) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: (814,362) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Results: 814,362 pot
        Final Board: J 6 J Q 4
        chickensssss showed 2 T T A and won 814,362 (408,381 net)
        stevie444 showed 6 5 9 A and lost (-405,981 net)



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        09-13-2015 , 10:45 PM
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        Originally Posted by broken_jia
        Another 700k pot, this time at the final table.

        [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (5,000/10,000 blinds, 1,000 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37115826

        chickensssss (BB): 379,621 (38 bb)
        rtspurs (MP): 237,154 (23.7 bb)
        MarekW13 (CO): 412,471 (41.2 bb)
        nizmo jiz (BTN): 352,964 (35.3 bb)
        stevie444 (SB): 1,007,790 (100.8 bb)

        Preflop:
        rtspurs folds, MarekW13 raises to 20,000, nizmo jiz raises to 80,000, 2 folds, MarekW13 calls 60,000

        Flop: (180,000) J 6 J (2 players)
        MarekW13 checks, nizmo jiz bets 59,400, MarekW13 calls 59,400
        At this point nizmo jiz should put MarekW13 on J*** or better... and probably with a decent kicker (king or ace).

        I wonder if he did, but thought MarekW13 would put him (nizmo jiz) on a full house and figured MarekW13 would fold without a full house.

        Buzz
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        09-13-2015 , 10:55 PM
        I think he should've just shoved preflop or check back on flop. By raising so big preflop, he's effectively only got two bets postflop.
        Given the ICM considerations, Marek has to consider folding his hand against a shove preflop.

        There's one big stack (stevie) and 2nd to 5th is all bunched up together. Difference between 2nd and 5th is $24,000, see below.



        EDIT: Added payouts

        Last edited by broken_jia; 09-13-2015 at 11:03 PM.
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        09-13-2015 , 10:57 PM
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        Originally Posted by broken_jia
        Biggest pot of the tournament:

        [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,200 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37115827

        chickensssss (BB): 405,981 (33.8 bb)
        rtspurs (CO): 220,554 (18.4 bb)
        MarekW13 (BTN): 747,035 (62.3 bb)
        stevie444 (SB): 1,016,430 (84.7 bb)

        Preflop:
        2 folds, stevie444 raises to 1,015,230 and is all-in, chickensssss calls 392,781 and is all-in
        stevie444 would probably like to knock out chickensssss, and if not wouldn't mind stealing his blind. And stevie444 probably has a better starting hand four times out of five.

        But this turns out to be the fifth time out of five, chickensssss has the better starting hand and prevails.

        Bad luck for stevie444.

        Meh.

        Buzz
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        09-13-2015 , 10:59 PM
        A few more key hands:

          Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,200 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37116359

          chickensssss (BTN): 807,162 (67.3 bb)
          rtspurs (SB): 206,154 (17.2 bb)
          MarekW13 (BB): 744,635 (62.1 bb)
          stevie444 (CO): 632,049 (52.7 bb)

          Preflop:
          stevie444 calls 12,000, chickensssss folds, rtspurs raises to 204,954 and is all-in, MarekW13 folds, stevie444 calls 192,954

          Flop: (426,708) T 8 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          Turn: (426,708) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: (426,708) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Results: 426,708 pot
          Final Board: T 8 3 A K
          rtspurs showed 2 6 5 A and won 213,354 (7,200 net)
          stevie444 showed A Q J Q and won 213,354 (7,200 net)



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            Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,200 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37116360

            chickensssss (BTN): 831,162 (69.3 bb)
            rtspurs (SB): 220,554 (18.4 bb)
            MarekW13 (BB): 852,635 (71.1 bb)
            stevie444 (CO): 485,649 (40.5 bb)

            Preflop:
            stevie444 folds, chickensssss raises to 24,000, rtspurs raises to 219,354 and is all-in, MarekW13 folds, chickensssss calls 195,354

            Flop: (455,508) 7 4 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            Turn: (455,508) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: (455,508) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Results: 455,508 pot
            Final Board: 7 4 7 2 K
            chickensssss showed 5 4 A 7 and won 455,508 (234,954 net)
            rtspurs showed 2 6 A T and lost (-220,554 net)



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              Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (6,000/12,000 blinds, 1,200 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 3 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37116361

              chickensssss (BB): 1,141,716 (95.1 bb)
              MarekW13 (BTN): 985,235 (82.1 bb)
              stevie444 (SB): 263,049 (21.9 bb)

              Preflop:
              MarekW13 raises to 24,000, stevie444 folds, chickensssss calls 12,000

              Flop: (57,600) 7 9 K (2 players)
              chickensssss checks, MarekW13 bets 36,000, chickensssss calls 36,000

              Turn: (129,600) 7 (2 players)
              chickensssss checks, MarekW13 bets 72,000, chickensssss calls 72,000

              River: (273,600) 3 (2 players)
              chickensssss checks, MarekW13 bets 228,000, chickensssss calls 228,000

              Results: 729,600 pot
              Final Board: 7 9 K 7 3
              chickensssss mucked and lost (-361,200 net)
              MarekW13 showed T 9 K K and won 729,600 (368,400 net)



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              09-13-2015 , 11:02 PM
              chickensssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssss
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              09-13-2015 , 11:04 PM
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              Originally Posted by Buzz
              At this point nizmo jiz should put MarekW13 on J*** or better... and probably with a decent kicker (king or ace).

              I wonder if he did, but thought MarekW13 would put him (nizmo jiz) on a full house and figured MarekW13 would fold without a full house.

              Buzz
              haha buzz come on those nit trols become so obvious that even the worse players on this forum can understand you are trolling (then it no fun anymore).
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              09-13-2015 , 11:23 PM
              Winner Winner Chicken Dinner

                Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (7,000/14,000 blinds, 1,400 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 2 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37116365

                chickensssss (BB): 1,570,901 (112.2 bb)
                MarekW13 (SB): 819,099 (58.5 bb)

                Preflop:
                MarekW13 raises to 28,000, chickensssss calls 14,000

                Flop: (58,800) 8 4 9 (2 players)
                chickensssss checks, MarekW13 bets 29,400, chickensssss raises to 161,000, MarekW13 raises to 789,699 and is all-in, chickensssss calls 628,699

                Turn: (1,638,198) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                River: (1,638,198) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

                Results: 1,638,198 pot
                Final Board: 8 4 9 Q 8
                chickensssss showed 4 6 8 7 and won 1,638,198 (819,099 net)
                MarekW13 showed J Q J T and lost (-819,099 net)



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                09-13-2015 , 11:43 PM
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                Originally Posted by broken_jia
                I think he should've just shoved preflop
                nizmo jiz succeeded in getting heads-up. Don't you want to play AA(74) heads-up?

                And then perhaps nizmo jiz misread his opponent when MarekW13 checked after this flop. That's understandable.

                But then when MarekW13 calls his 2nd round bet, an alarm siren should go off in nizmo jiz's head. (Perhaps it did, but he thought he might bluff/win).

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                or check back on flop.
                Perhaps. But nobody could read MarekW13 for trip jacks or better at that point. And if nizmo jiz doesn't bet this flop after MarekW13 checks, then I think AA(74) is hard to play.

                nizmo jiz wisely doesn't bet all his chips on the second betting round, but then he throws caution to the wind after MarekW13 calls the second round bet.

                As the cards lie, nizmo jiz is destined to get scooped by MarekW13. Even so, he doesn't necessarily have to lose all his chips. After MarekW13 checks on the third betting round, nizmo jiz should cautiously check behind.

                Then if MarekW13 bets the river, it's a tough play but nizmo jiz could fold and survive.

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                By raising so big preflop, he's effectively only got two bets postflop.
                Meh.

                He does want to get heads-up with AA(74), and he succeeds in doing that.

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                Given the ICM considerations, Marek has to consider folding his hand against a shove preflop.
                Hmm. I'm opposed to a pre-flop shove with AA(74) here. I think nizmo jiz played well until the third betting round.

                Just my opinion.

                Buzz
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                09-14-2015 , 12:46 AM
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                Originally Posted by omybike
                haha buzz come on those nit trols become so obvious that even the worse players on this forum can understand you are trolling (then it no fun anymore).
                From Wikipedia:In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

                I don't think I've ever trolled on this forum (or any other forum).

                I do sometimes offer an alternative point of view - but it's not to sow discord or upset people. It's simply my view of the truth about Omaha-8.

                I cannot guarantee I'm always right, but I try to be.

                Buzz
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                09-14-2015 , 12:50 AM
                so you was serious that you think he was bluffing with aaxx on river and the other guy would fold non fullhouses?
                that just insane if you really think that.
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                09-14-2015 , 02:11 AM
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                Originally Posted by omybike
                so you was serious that you think he was bluffing with aaxx on river and the other guy would fold non fullhouses?
                I don't think I wrote that. It's not what I was thinking.

                I'll go back and re-read what I wrote.

                If nizmo jiz correctly reads MarekW13 for trip jacks after this flop, then if he bets his AA(74) on the turn, isn't that a bluff?

                I wrote:
                Quote:
                I wonder if he did, but thought MarekW13 would put him (nizmo jiz) on a full house and figured MarekW13 would fold without a full house.
                And I wrote
                Quote:
                But then when MarekW13 calls his 2nd round bet, an alarm siren should go off in nizmo jiz's head. (Perhaps it did, but he thought he might bluff/win).
                I didn't write that I "think he was bluffing with aaxx on river and the other guy would fold non fullhouses."

                In the future, when you disagree with me, please quote what I have written that you disagree with. Thanks.

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                that just insane if you really think that.
                What do you think about why nizmo jiz bet as he did?

                Buzz
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                09-14-2015 , 06:06 AM
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                Originally Posted by omybike
                haha buzz come on those nit trols become so obvious that even the worse players on this forum can understand you are trolling (then it no fun anymore).

                Buzz seemingly enjoys giving his opinion in various O8 spots and whether you think he is right or wrong he is a respected senior member of the O8 community so gtfo with your classless aggro and posts as you just come across as a massive clown.

                And i'd rather be a nit then play like some people and think whom think they are beasts coz running stupidly over ev whereas according to good cash game players are massive spewtards. The hh seems to be a good example imo.

                That's all from me apart from big congrats to chickensssss for a great performance in the NLO8 event.

                Last edited by billygstar; 09-14-2015 at 06:08 AM. Reason: oh and good job exploding in the 1k nlo8
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                09-14-2015 , 06:08 AM
                  Poker Stars, $75 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 5 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37116500

                  kropnicovic (CO): 24,785 (24.8 bb)
                  7RALF7 (BTN): 137,938 (137.9 bb)
                  Hero (SB): 71,764 (71.8 bb)
                  onmybicycle (BB): 121,709 (121.7 bb)
                  MarkusG91 (MP): 70,704 (70.7 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is SB with K T Q 5
                  MarkusG91 folds, kropnicovic raises to 2,500, 7RALF7 calls 2,500, Hero folds, onmybicycle calls 1,500

                  Flop: (8,625) J 6 2 (3 players)
                  onmybicycle checks, kropnicovic bets 6,500, 7RALF7 calls 6,500, onmybicycle raises to 119,084 and is all-in, kropnicovic calls 15,660 and is all-in, 7RALF7 calls 112,584

                  Turn: (268,953) 5 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
                  River: (268,953) A (3 players, 2 are all-in)

                  Results: 268,953 pot
                  Final Board: J 6 2 5 A
                  kropnicovic showed 7 2 6 2 and lost (-24,785 net)
                  7RALF7 showed 3 A 3 4 and won 268,953 (147,244 net)
                  onmybicycle showed K 9 J 4 and lost (-121,709 net)



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                  09-14-2015 , 06:45 AM
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                  Originally Posted by Buzz

                  What do you think about why nizmo jiz bet as he did?

                  Buzz
                  i do not know if i agree on the 3bet sizing and what his range look like where he doing this with.

                  the flop smash the 3bet range(because the other guy does not have aaxx in his range and jxxx very unlikely because of preflop action) he is betting 1/3 pot what he would do with his whole range. Co can probably not not defend here enough to let bluffs make massive profit on the cbet but because btn will bet 100% of time and very small he will float decent amount with backdoor stuff or high pairs if he still has them.
                  Turn comes K btn goes allin he do not wanne let co realise his equity with floats. he walks in jx. ul but can happen some of time on the turn but pot to big to not go allin.
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                  09-14-2015 , 06:53 AM
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                  Originally Posted by billygstar

                  And i'd rather be a nit then play like some people and think whom think they are beasts coz running stupidly over ev whereas according to good cash game players are massive spewtards. The hh seems to be a good example imo.
                  Billy after your stupid post before are you really trying to get fight again? you think it not obvious that you just wanne make fight on this because mods will favor you because you say nice things about buzz?
                  at least you forum strategy is ass obvious as your play at the table. (do i need to insert clown here to offend you?)

                  about the above those called good cash game players. you just full of BS. call me names who thinks i am spewtard but is afraid to come and sit and play me.
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                  09-14-2015 , 07:27 AM
                  nope I've said my piece and i don't wish to get banned again for dealing with you although i did not get banned for saying my opinions on you but for having a general slagging match. It's not only buzz you do this too and the way you interact with people here and at the table is laughable.

                  I keep hearing you say that everyone is scared to play you. Pretty sure that's not the case lol

                  As i said I won't be replying again no matter what you say to provoke me. I'll just report your post as not to get in a slagging match. A bit like the one in the WCOOP thread for no apparent reason.
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                  09-14-2015 , 07:29 AM
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                  Originally Posted by omybike
                  Billy after your stupid post before are you really trying to get fight again? you think it not obvious that you just wanne make fight on this because mods will favor you because you say nice things about buzz?
                  Billy's insecurity and envy towards successful cash players is blatantly obvious. Tournaments are a brilliant choice for him, as there he can exploit the weaklings all day long and make a living.

                  Buzz is a "respected senior member of the O8 community", sure, but he is totally clueless in many NL/PL spots, as everyone can see ITT. He might be very good in limit O8, I can't tell, because I don't play that game nor pay much attention to those threads.

                  From what I understand, it's OK to point out flaws in someone's thinking on this forum. Explaining things that are completely obvious for you requires lots of patience.
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