Thats just LOL Bokkie blocks his stats for a reason. If anyone thinks Bokkie plays sngs better than me they just don't understand sngs. Also billy who has played hypers for a week and is already better at them than bokkie.

yes

Lol you gotta be kidding me right if you are only talking hypers.

I still haven't played enough against Billy, but I'll tell you what...Billy doesn't min raise fold utg the last time I checked (right Bill??), which already makes him better than Bokkie already. And it's not even a small % of the time last time I played him.

And seriously, J being worse than Bokkie. What are you smoking. I have my personal opinions on who I think is best, but I really can't see this one in a million years. Normally I agree with you as well Stek. But afraid this is wrong!!

I usually rank someone as decent when I can't see they are making glaring errors. Bokkie makes that glaring error I just mentioned above. J, can you start min raise folding the worst part of your opening range for me please I need an edge.

On a side note can anyone pass me some run good versus steed?

I min raise fold utg in hypers.....

There are exceptions to this e.g equal 1k stacks 1st/2nd blind level, but for the most part I think it's bad and exploitable especially if you fold too much, which IMO people who do this generally do. I mean yeh, every now and again you are going to show up with a 5%tile hand, but I am never going to be dead. And if I have FE then that's the name of the game @ hypers.

I went and found a bokkie one for you Dunc. DUC what I mean?

even if im min raise calling only 50% of the time the fact that you know that i'm going to be calling 50% of the time makes jamming bad

So yeh, I am not going to be spewing, and you may be inducing me to shove slightly wider than I would call a raise with to take advantage of the FE, but I am never going to be totally spewing. I will still have good fold equity and decent AI equity when called. I am tired, slightly inebriated, and need bed so will have to tackle this tomorrow in more depth. Probs when I am bored at work

So, really the btn min raise above and fold to a shove. We agree that's terrible surely?

meh i don't think its too bad

I just don't see how shoving everything you're gonna play no matter what the circumstance is a good idea.

I'm not a hyper reg though.

i dont have a massive sample size of bokkie, but boy... 3 way he was all in every hand... 998k... anything, very lucky and winning...

.^sc

I don't disgree with this point at all. In fact there are scenarios that I won't divulge in which I will do this.

Problem is people don't know how to do it properly in a lot of scenarios e.g

1. I see plenty of people that will min raise btn 3 handed with me say @ 1.5 in sb, them at 1k, and shorty in bb at 500. Medium to high blinds.

2. There is a reg that I don't think posts here that min raises his weakish aces and shoves his strong ones. It allows me to play perfectly.

3. There are people that will min raise fold a far higher % than Dunc is suggesting.

As for my view on bokkie87... It may be colored by the fact that I've only played him at $30+.

There is too much in your post streity that I want to respond to. But seeing as i'm wanting to try and play lots of these games now, I don't think its in my interest to divulge my thinking. So i'm gonna stop talking hyper strat and go back to slagging off Billy.

It's ok. I think there is too much strat going on in a monthly anyway!! Intrigued, as to how far we disagree here especially over that Bokkie hand I posted, where he is being uber exploited IMO.

PM which point you disagree with most. I think point 1 is the one that could be extended further to not being terrible. Obviously you don't have to give reasons. Just say 1, 2, or 3

I probably do about as much min raising in hypers as anybody, is this why i am a big fish?

edit: ha, just read dmalloys post after writing like 3 responses then deleting them and settling with above

Evidently, yes. You shouldn't raise too many hands that can't withstand a shove.

prove it

Hey guys. Can anyone recommend a HU FLO8 coach? Thanks

Also, why do I suck so hard at HU FLO8? Thanks

No idea if danzasmack coaches hu fl, but he's who came to mind. He has some HU videos at his site that I want to check out.

You've got to play pretty high to beat the rake in HU O8, IMO, unless your opponents are horrible.

Thanks, I'll check some of his vids. I play HUSNGs, so rake not a problem. For some reason I crush every other game but turn into a blithering ****** in O8. Might just be a tilt thing, I'm really not sure.

billy why do you always run perfect every bubble we are on together?

LOL

The 5 biggest winners at hypers in 2013 including myself all for the most part play a shove only style. These 5 are essentially the 5 best at hypers imo with the exception of JaniOsmo who is really good also but makes some questionable bubble decisions at times. I would have macr0s in the top 5 over him. Are there edges to be had by min raising at 10-20 or min raising heads up before blinds get too high. Yes, but is it worth it to me when I'm 14 tabling. No, if i were to play a min raise style I would have to cut back on the number of tables played and the small increase in edge just wouldn't be worth it.

Bokkie is likely a loser pre rakeback at 30$ + if he is running neutral. I dont understand why you have such a hard on for that abc nitbot. Bokkie plays the same game no matter if its hypers, 18 mans, mtts, cash. Yes he is a winner at poker and plays sick volume so I'll give him credit for that but he is only a winner because there are lot of really bad poker players out there especially at O8. Also for whatever reason players seem to call bokkie way too light thinking he is loose when he is a actually huge nit.

I have played more O8 hypers and have won more from O8 hypers than probably anyone. I also spend a lot of time on Pokertracker analyzing other players and have a pretty solid idea of who is actually good. You on the other hand have played what 500 total maybe so I find it funny that you think you are capable of ranking players especially considering you seem to be quite lost when you are playing them.

Well, hypers are your turf but saying I am lost when I play hypers because I play a style that gains me a small edge is obviously contradicting itself.

I don't know your results but I'm not sure you are as profitable in them as you might think. Lost may have not been the best word to use as I dont view you as a fish or anything and I'm sure you have the capability to improve if you continue to play them. There are just certain things to consider while playing sngs that cash game players who occasionally play them dont seem to pay attention to.