inb4 "but not the FEDRUL GUBMINT!"

and the diff is when you drive you are asking for a privilege. also when you drive you are absolutely a risk to others. so therefore it should be mandatory.

suzzer your new avitar is very tilting.

Then it should be easy for you to cite a credible source, hopefully one beyond a typical news soundbite. Or maybe you believe everything you read in the news and take it as gospel. God forbid they tell you the whole story.

btw...not asking for just a simple citation for fraud, we all know there's fraud. I'm asking for a citation that reflects the number you gave,

That should cut down your search quite a bit.

Instead of posting 3 different non-citations, and whining about being called out a little, you could've saved yourself 2 posts and posted 1 simple response. Especially if it were so widespread and all. Don't expect us to do your homework for you when you make the claim. But I'll help ya out this one time, here's someone claiming 20%(I'm guessing this is your source, even if through the grapevine):

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-dollar-goes-/

What this says is that your claim is anything but definitive or conclusive.

Be careful what you hear or read and give credit to just because it's rampant in the news.

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At no risk of ever getting a hernia.

Not against auto insurance. Auto insurance is based on risk factors. Safe drivers pay less.
Health insurance is based solely on age. Of course, I don't need to worry about Obamacare. Too old. Just against it on principle.

More of you Europeans would be against UHC if it were run by the U.S. govt. Costs would double with no improvement in health services.

Against.

I look at all things the government tries to make "more affordable" and all the things it leaves to the free market and I see an inverse correlation.

Nope. Or do you mean the potentially mandated health insurance?

And you get he privilege of receiving emergency medical treatment even if you can't pay for it.

I love the taxation=theft but free defacto catastrophic health insurance=god-given-right crowd.

In addition to anecdotal evidence from my father who deals with medicare/caid every single work day for 10 years in Florida where it is used the most (they even brag about how much they get away with to him) here are these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_fraud

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11409t.pdf

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5414390.shtml

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...chael-f-cannon

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...-85/50180282/1

Too lazy to copy/paste all but Italian economy here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WecfZ...eature=related

I wish I knew how to inline videos...

[.youtube]insert youtube video code here[/youtube.] take out the periods

Correlation is not causation. Holy ****.

From:

Italy spends $2800 per person on healthcare. The US spends $7400 per person on health care. You're seriously going to sit there and claim that its health care spending that is driving Italy's financial crisis?

When it comes to auto insurance, there are different costs for different safety profiles, but female drivers still subsidize male drivers.

Do you really think he will listen to facts?

Little gem tho.

Just click video directory.
Then click add video.
And then blindly follow instructions filling in every line.


There's also the
The End of Illness by Dr. David Agus. Dr. Agus says keep moving.

Yeah but that way is about 10x more labor intensive than the [youtube] tag way.

I am not saying that Italy is going bankrupt because of UHC. It may or may not have had an influence. I do not know. However, I do know that their government policy is not effective.

Don't they have the 2nd highest-rated health care in the world?

I believe they are rated that highly.

So what's not effective?

I mean someone that is achieving significantly better health care results for 1/3 of the price you're spending is at least worth a look, right?

krmont, nice try at a save.

I agree that closely examining what they are doing in Italy is a great idea. Italy is going bankrupt, so I am saying their government's economic policy is ineffective.

Ok. Forgive us for not realizing that you wanted to change the conversation to "Are you for or against Italy's economic policy" right after quoting a comment about how good Italy's UHC is in a thread about being "for or against government healthcare".