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07-12-2015 , 04:58 PM
Yeah, I normally take slash dot "articles" with a huge grain of salt, way more alarmist than the Bloomberg piece it links to

My mistake
07-12-2015 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
Hillary Clinton is running what is possibly the best campaign of all time so far. I am mostly left to wonder if Donald Trump is trolling on behalf of the clintons or as part of some "trumpian fun" that only exists in his head or if he's totally serious. Is trump trying to destroy the gop?
I lean towards hes being genuine but reserve the very real possibility hes trolling.
Graham and Pataki have both spoken up about the damage Trump is doing to the party. It seems baring the actual thoughts of the GOP electorate is the scariest thing in the world to the GOP establishment.
07-12-2015 , 05:07 PM
I am not hating on the gays at all but in my experience they are not the victims of gentrification they are the perpetrators. Capital Hill (gay hood)i is eating up the Central District (black hood).
07-12-2015 , 05:08 PM
The GOP is all for yelling at Muslims to contain their extremists

Just don't shine a light on their own extremists!
07-12-2015 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
I am not hating on the gays at all but in my experience they are not the victims of gentrification they are the perpetrators. Capital Hill (gay hood)i is eating up the Central District (black hood).
what does, for instance, a gay couple being spat on have to do with gentrification?
07-12-2015 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
I am not hating on the gays at all but in my experience they are not the victims of gentrification they are the perpetrators. Capital Hill (gay hood)i is eating up the Central District (black hood).
The stereotype is totally that gay neighborhoods bring gentrification.
07-12-2015 , 05:12 PM
I, for one, welcome our fabulously gay overlords
07-12-2015 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
what does, for instance, a gay couple being spat on have to do with gentrification?
Nothing.
07-12-2015 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
what does, for instance, a gay couple being spat on have to do with gentrification?
It's from the articles in the links of that thing that Anais posted. You might ask him.
07-12-2015 , 05:30 PM
How much is El Chapo's going rate for prison officials? He's either found in a drainpipe in a week, or gone for another decade.
07-12-2015 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by longmissedblind
Graham and Pataki have both spoken up about the damage Trump is doing to the party. It seems baring the actual thoughts of the GOP electorate is the scariest thing in the world to the GOP establishment.
Chickens finally coming home to roost. Jan Brewer's comments aren't really wrong from the perspective of the right wing echo chamber. You spend a couple decades praying on the biases of your base by telling them about all the criminal dark people out there, and yeah, they will think Trump's bigotry is real talk.
07-12-2015 , 06:47 PM
Barry Obama is making noise about going after prison reform as his next big thing.

Have we got a thread about it? I'm pretty sure it would be awesome.

Also, I'm thinking that him and his people might be being super machiavelian about this.

I.e. the biggest danger of letting non violent drug offenders out of prison on mass is that one of them goes and rapes and murders someone then the press goes nuts.

With trump leading the right wing nutosphere right now, any reaction is going to be super racist and crazy which will allow the Obama camp to appear all intelligent and reasonable and ****.

Thoughts?
07-12-2015 , 06:56 PM
Prison reform movement is thankfully well underway. Part of this has to do with crime rates, but mandatory minimums have been going away. Non-violent drug crimes are much less likely to put people in jail at least here in Cali. Prisons and Jails are full and there's not the rallying for more construction.

A long way to go of course. Hopefully we can get this back to 1970s levels.

07-12-2015 , 06:57 PM
sigh need that graph in %
07-12-2015 , 06:59 PM
309 million Americans in 2010

You do the math
07-12-2015 , 07:01 PM
yeah i don't feel like doing the other 93 data runs
07-12-2015 , 07:02 PM


So much better... and on the same wiki page.
07-12-2015 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Prison reform movement is thankfully well underway. Part of this has to do with crime rates, but mandatory minimums have been going away. Non-violent drug crimes are much less likely to put people in jail at least here in Cali. Prisons and Jails are full and there's not the rallying for more construction.

A long way to go of course. Hopefully we can get this back to 1970s levels.

Yeah, but that's just tweaking around the edges. Obama (like it or not) has been going pretty big on the things that matter. If he's really going to champion prison reform it could be huge.

Also lol at the graph nittery. Ikes obviously right, but the shape is essentially the same which was the original point.
07-12-2015 , 07:18 PM
Also. What's the difference between prison and jail? I would have used them interchangeably. ..
07-12-2015 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
sigh need that graph in %
sigh, the population of the US did not increase 7 fold from 1970 to 2008. It's close enough.
07-12-2015 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rugby
Also. What's the difference between prison and jail? I would have used them interchangeably. ..
Generally jail is for < 1 year and you can be in jail awaiting trial.
07-12-2015 , 07:21 PM
I'm not making any claim like that. The percentage graph is just so much better than the total in this spot.
07-12-2015 , 07:25 PM
Ok, in this case they don't happen to be much different, and that's fairly obvious to anyone who has a vague idea about the steady, but relatively slow increase in US population, but you are 100% right about it being a better graph and everyone knows it.
07-12-2015 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I'm not making any claim like that. The percentage graph is just so much better than the total in this spot.
They look almost exactly the same. One is "HFS, WTF?!?" The other is "HS, WTF?!?"
07-12-2015 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Generally jail is for < 1 year and you can be in jail awaiting trial.
Right, prisons are generally run by the state and are for those who have been convicted of felonies. I think most jails are operated at the county level. I always thought it was pretty messed up to use the same thing (jail) for two distinct purposes: (1) incarceration for convicted criminals (<1 year, mostly misdemeanors as you said), and also (2) pretrial detention, mostly for those who can't afford bail.

Around 60% of jail inmates are unconvicted (and therefore presumed innocent) but they're treated the same as the convicts.

This is what makes it especially obscene for county sheriffs like Arpaio to brag about how unpleasant the conditions in their jails are.

ETA: Relevant: How to Stop Mass Incarceration

      
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