Important clarification.

revots down with Trumps claptrap is shocking!

Lol wtf are you talking about? I've been mocking Trump and calling him a racist moron and a buffoon from the beginning. Read my post and tell me where I am "down with" Trump. It was an anecdote, based on comments I saw on a FB post by the PGA of America, that a lot of racist morons support Trump and think decrying racism = political correctness run amok. I never placed myself in with those morons. I'm a liberal democrat.

JFC this forum.

Liberal democrat = rape apology, killing black people apology, and transphobia?

Who knew...

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My bad. Please proceed gov'na.

Lollllllll no, no, and wtf? Transphobia? Haha ok then.

Politics is the one forum where it is completely impossible to know if people are trolling or just can't ****ing follow someone else's train of thought.

it's probably a good way to meet like-minded bachelors too.

I lol'd

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You didn't go out to bat for the parents who hounded their trans daughter to death? Maybe I'm getting my bigots mixed up...

revots33:

If you listen to Trump's announcement speech

http://www.c-span.org/video/?326473-...n-announcement

it's obvious "The Donald" has a massive ego, but it's also easy to see how some of his slop will have wide appeal - and not just to the Tea Party crowd. (The things Mr. Trump says about the CEO of Ford opening a new manufacturing plant in Mexico and sending "thousands of American jobs" south of the border will resonate with anybody who have lost their job due to a plant closure - irrespective of whether or not their job actually went to Mexico.) If Trump somehow manages to get the Republican nomination, it may be more than just Tea Party people voting for him. This is populist red meat ...

The first Republican debate in August could be entertaining - especially if Mr. Trump comes out with guns (and tongue) blazing. Chris Matthews thinks Trump and Chris Christie will mix it up while Jeb Bush tries to stay out of their way (as much as possible) hoping they destroy each other. I'm not sure if that's the way it will play out ...

Based on some of his recent comments, (i.e. "Jeb Bush can't negotiate his way out of a brown paper bag!" et cetera), Mr. Trump seems to believe that he is in second place (in the polling) to Jeb; so his best play (in the debate) may be to go after the presumed front runner directly. If "The Donald" starts spewing his anti-Mexican rhetoric, he could get under Jeb's skin. If that happens it will be popcorn time indeed. Reince Priebus and Mitt Romney will probably cringe, but Hillary (and Democrats) will love it.

I think this thread overestimates the entertainment potential of the large field debates. 90 minutes of air time split by 10 candidates is not going to be a free flowing affair. Expect a bunch of stock answers.

This is why avatar should be a requirement around here. Easier to keep people straight (as in tell them apart from each other)

Pew's "hard-pressed" skeptics are basically the disaffected white working class. They are not particularly well informed about politics, mostly white, mostly downtrodden, mostly males. The Perot voter. Per Pew:

See bolded in my first paragraph. I do think you're both correct this is a possible reservoir of Trump voters. They are generally downtrodden though, and dependent on government assistance but unlike Tea Party types, not necessarily ideologically or morally opposed to them.

I agree these are *potential* and only potential Trump voters in a general election. These are not the types of people you want to count on to win a GOP primary though.

So, in sum: I acknowledge Trump could win over these people, who were largely where Perot fished from too. Which is why I don't think he would max out at the US's ~15% of Tea Party hardcore conservative types. He could win over some downtrodden whites suspicious of immigration, free trade agreements, and not generally well informed. But I do think he would have to guarantee these people to continue to get their Medicare and Social Security and make some general concessions to not threaten handouts to these people, and broaden his appeal beyond hardcore right-wingers. And these people aren't reliable GOP primary voters.

Or, could just stick to the thread and discuss the republican field, rather than derail it to call people bigots for no reason.

Although I will say LowK you do prob have my fav avatar

Tend to agree except for Trump, because he is so dumb that he can't speak off the cuff without saying something ridiculous.

THE DONALD was clearly right. We need that big wall.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san...ted/index.html

Carlson could provide some insanity too. He doesn't have any experience and I doubt he will be well prepared. Cruz might find it beneficial to grab a headline by being controversial. It has potential to be more interesting than last years cattle call debates.
One moderating factor for lib excitement is this is on Fox. Fox ran good debates for the GOP voter by helping conservatives decide who they are going to pick but you won't see the questioning of the entire philosophy like you will on other stations.

The main thing he has going is that he has confidence. He either absolutely 100% believes everything he says or he is an amazing actor. "I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created" "I will make America great again" "I will build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and people just eat up that ****. And plus everyone else enables him. It's like giving a drug addict more drugs. Fox news takes him seriously, the RNC takes him seriously, the other candidates take him seriously. We live in a world of insanity where Donald Trump is considered a serious candidate.

He is not a serious candidate. His unfavorables are way to high for him to have any chance of winning. The party is certainly concerned about the damage he can do to the Hispanic vote. The other candidates would prefer to ignore him like they did Ron but they can't when the media asks them to react to his statements.

Trump is only an interesting candidate in that we now can quantify the low-info/racist disaffected wing of the republican party at an absolute floor of 12%. These are the people pissed off but too lazy to try to figure out why. My trainer was a Trump fan the last time around. Not sure about this time.

Definitely need suzzer trainer updates going forward this election

"Trainer".

Lol what kind of trainer?

Personal ldo

Animal?