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Oh please, do tell us what Obama should have done differently. Since you said you agreed with that article wholeheartedly, I take it you think Obama should have prosecuted three black dudes for voter intimidation who had all charges against them dropped under Bush? I mean, the NERVE of Obama to want to ask for concessions from Republicans on certain issues rather than just completely capitulating on every issue.

10-04-2011 , 03:54 PM

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So basically you hate Obama because he hasn't stopped you from hating Obama?

I don't hate Obama. I think he has failed on what he promised to deliver.

10-04-2011 , 03:55 PM

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I don't hate Obama. I think he has failed on what he promised to deliver.

You have an incorrect notion about what he promised to deliver.

10-04-2011 , 03:55 PM

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ZOMG WTF BBQ. How dare the president play politics on hot button issues. What a big meanie. We all know republicans have never, and would never, do anything of the sort. Oh wait...

He has played politics on about every issue. He still blames the Republicans for eveything that has gone wrong. Which I understand. But don't act like he is some uniter or that he is proposing or even passing Republican lgislation.
Even the Jobs bill was pure campaign rehtoric, no involvement of republicans, no negotiations and the real lol is not even the Dems want to attache their names to the bill.

10-04-2011 , 03:56 PM

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You have an incorrect notion about what he promised to deliver.

Less then 8% unemployment for starters.

10-04-2011 , 03:57 PM

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The whole crowd booing the gay soldier thing is a complete lie. Try a few dicks.

Santorum on it:

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I condemn the people who booed that gay soldier. That soldier is serving our country. I thank him for his service to our country. I’m sure he’s doing an excellent job; I hope he is safe and I hope he returns safely and does his mission well.

I have to admit I seriously did not hear those boos. Had I heard them, I certainly would have commented on them. But, as you know, when you’re in that sort of environment, you’re sort of focused on the question and formulating you answer, and I just didn’t hear those couple of boos that were out there. But certainly had I, I would’ve said, “Don’t do that. This man is serving our country and we are to thank him for his service.”

10-04-2011 , 03:58 PM

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Please tell us what a REAL uniter would have done in the face of a Republican congress that refuses to budge on any issue.

10-04-2011 , 03:58 PM

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I actually believe that most candidates are sincere when they promise to be uniters, rather than dividers. Reality just doesn't permit them to accomplish that on any sustained basis.

That is the biggest problem with the US electoral system at present, the never ending election campaign. The House elections have taken over the entire governing structure. Instead of a 4 year term for the executive to institute policies, they have 100 days now. It's no longer the honeymoon period, but the a maximum before the next wave of partisan attacks occur.

10-04-2011 , 03:59 PM

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I believe charges filed during the Bush administration and were dropped under Obama's.

10-04-2011 , 03:59 PM

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How is "bashing wall street and health care companies" going against his campaign platform? Hell he probably did that a number of times DURING the ****ing campaign.

Wall Street supported Obama in a huge way in 2012. They will not this go around at least partially do to his rhetoric.

10-04-2011 , 03:59 PM

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No one said the whole crowd booed ikes.

10-04-2011 , 04:00 PM

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Obama isn't an 'uniter' because he has zero political capital because he didn't turn the economy around when he had a Dem Congress. Argue all you want about how much that is his fault or whatever, but it's the reason why Republicans aren't cooperating. There's little reason to work with a president who has an approval rating in the low 40s.

10-04-2011 , 04:01 PM

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He has played politics on about every issue. He still blames the Republicans for eveything that has gone wrong. Which I understand. But don't act like he is some uniter or that he is proposing or even passing Republican lgislation.
Even the Jobs bill was pure campaign rehtoric, no involvement of republicans, no negotiations and the real lol is not even the Dems want to attache their names to the bill.

Did you really think that he meant he was going to pass Republican legislation? Working with the other party doesn't mean just doing whatever they want - otherwise there would be no point to elections.

However, just off the top of my head, I can think of the Bush tax cut extension and the debt ceiling debate as examples where Obama moved much more toward the Republican position than they moved to his.

10-04-2011 , 04:01 PM

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Wall Street supported Obama in a huge way in 2012. They will not this go around at least partially do to his rhetoric.

So when the republicans pointed out all of Obama's Wall St. funding in 2008 like it was a bad thing and a sign that he was going to be their lackey - they were just wrong then, as it was actually a good thing?

10-04-2011 , 04:02 PM

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No one said the whole crowd booed ikes.

'Republicans booing gay soldier'

Not even sure the 's' can be added to that tbqh.

10-04-2011 , 04:03 PM

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The bill is still wide open to any negotiations the republicans want to be a part of. I'm sure Obama would be thrilled if they even tried to meet him 1/4 of the way on anything. But their new stance seems to be that tax holidays are bad now (**** the middle class, only the job creators are worth going to the wall for) and the president just needs to get out of the way and do nothing, which conveniently precludes them from having to compromise on anything. Again.

10-04-2011 , 04:09 PM

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I believe charges filed during the Bush administration and were dropped under Obama's.

But they were downgraded to a civil case under Bush.
http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_..._black_panther

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This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division.

Then the case was conveniently resurrected by the right-wing-pundit-o-sphere as a way to inject Obama and the black panthers in the same sentence into the internet echo chamber infinite times.

Then the civil case was dismissed because there was zero evidence of an organized movement, nor evidence of intimidation in this case: http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_...vidence_review

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Not only did no voters come forward to say they had been intimidated by the NBPP that day, there were no further incidents on Election Day 2008 that would have suggested a large-scale effort to intimidate white voters.

10-04-2011 , 04:11 PM

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Wall Street's support was a good thing from my perspective.

10-04-2011 , 04:12 PM

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Please tell us what a REAL uniter would have done in the face of a Republican congress that refuses to budge on any issue.

It's the same game that has gone on under Clinton and Bush when they did not have complete control. It's not a new phenomenon. You negotiate a compromise as was done on the debt deal and other legislation. Also, it really does not foster a joint effort when all you do is campaign, blame the other side as obstructionists and radicals even after you agree to a compromise.

It is amazing that it's the Reps who won't budge. Yet it seems that the Reps are not as worried about reelection and the Dems seem to be not wanting anything to do with Obama.

10-04-2011 , 04:13 PM

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But they were downgraded to a civil case under Bush.
http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_..._black_panther

Then the case was conveniently resurrected by the right-wing-pundit-o-sphere as a way to inject Obama and the black panthers in the same sentence into the internet echo chamber infinite times.

read your article guise, the complaints came from the dropping of the civil case, which did happen during the Obama administration.

Try again.

10-04-2011 , 04:21 PM

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You have an incorrect notion about what he promised to deliver.

Am I wrong about the country being divided or did I misunderstand his promise to unite?

10-04-2011 , 04:22 PM

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What is to negotiate? Obama said it was take it or leave it. Some Reps said there are parts worth discussing but the administration has decided to take the case to America and let them decide. Right now the Dems won't even get on board.

If it was not pure campaigning one would have thought he would have sought out some Reps to negotiate or see if parts of it would be acceptable and to try and forge a joint agreement. But your right the Reps don't want to support a stimulus and keep throwing away future generations money.

10-04-2011 , 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

Am I wrong about the country being divided or did I misunderstand his promise to unite?

Tell me what a REAL uniter would have done differently, and we'll go from there.

10-04-2011 , 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ogallalabob

Obama initially said take it or leave it. He has since backed off that.

10-04-2011 , 04:28 PM

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Am I wrong about the country being divided or did I misunderstand his promise to unite?

Lol. You're awesome.

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