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ZOMG Perry's family rented land were some douche had named a rock '******'. Perry, nor his family, named the rock ****** rock. Perry, nor his family, even continued to call the rock ****** rock. Perry's family even went to the trouble to cover up the ****** rock. It's such an absurd non-story. I'm sure there are much better things out there illustrating Perry's racism.

big +1 to Zygotes post.

What does it even mean to capital B believe in Evolution anyway? That a process of natural selection improves viability and can modify biological characteristics over time through random processes?

Woop de doo, go ahead and act like it matters. It's not a science that is actually used sheeples, it's a theory to explain natural processes we don't control. Sheesh, amazing how people act like it's neuroscience or something.

Honestly I think a lot of Libs are only so rabid for supporting evolution because it seems to re-affirm the possibility of a godless universe, and thus strengthens the program of ideology affiliation/opposition in the US that keeps us divided and servile to our corporate over lords. Nice work, now please discuss something important. Kthnx.

Unless your being aborted. This seems like a very narrow definition you are applying Cres.

It was just an opposite of the litmus test used by the Christian Conservative right. They're the ones who apply a very focussed standard, that leaves no room for discussion.

I don't want to get bogged down in that philosophical argument, it was more to the nature of the direction of the argument(s). To have a non pro choice person advocate liberty seems to be a Non sequitur.

In this instance of the term, choice is the liberty to freely and singularly decide your own outcome. Or to reiterate the RP rhetoric, get the gubmit out of peoples lives. (but if the proponents of a certain standard get in power, will they insert gubmit ) He is running for the leadership of the GOP, in addition to the presidency after all.

From RP's POV, a ban on abortion is the same as a ban on crime cres. Agree with that or not, saying that it contradicts his less government positions is just dumb and illustrates a complete lack of knowledge about RP.

So you need to spin what RP says. That would make him and his policies not far removed from any other politician, you made my point for me then. He only appeals to those who have chosen to follow him.

Now if his ideology of liberty applied to everyone................... or do you just want to trade barbs about how people that disagree are just dumb?

Yeah I'm a huge RP supporter... oh wait...

You're just not capable of following any sort of argument nor building one yourself. Your response is completely nonsensical.

have you forgotten what started this exchange? You can scroll back up if you can't remember. The cliffs, you claimed RP should get love from liberals for being a positive in civil liberties. I offered one(that's all it takes btw) that destroyed your statement, and then you went into full blown ike's talk. Pretty funny, but getting real boring because your schtik has gotten old.

you need some new material

Right cres, I guess it's hard when people just ignore your statements so often because of their inanity to follow along, but we just skipped over your ridiculous assertion that RP can have a strong civil rights record because of abortion.

Hell I am not even pro life and I absolutely do agree that it is a Christian litmus test. But it is not a civil liberties litmus test imo.

He believes abortion=murder, and you know what? By standard definition it is. Are you arguing that there is a right to murder?

No of course not, you aren't arguing at all just spouting the propaganda.

Personally I think this is a case where murder is so socially optimal it can be justified, but pretending the pro life side is anti-civil liberty or without merit is just simple minded.

Abortion isnt murder by standard definitions. If it were then cancer surgery is murder.

the legal ramifications of killing a fetus are weird and not consistent afaik.

i've heard (IDK if it's true) that if a gunman kills a pregnant woman he can be charged with two killings?

confirm/deny phill/others

It varies country to country and i believe state to state in America. Ive heard of some states having that law.

i always get the feeling that phill googles things instead of admitting not knowing them.

Ive first known of the fetus murder law as a separate entity from a TV show like Law and Order or something like that. Its a relatively common argument used in abortion debates, the idea that if you kill a fetus it can be murder in some cases but abortion isnt murder.

IT'S JUST A FEELING

Okay, you got me. You are correct that if abortion is legal it is not technically murder vis a vis

mur·der/ˈmərdər/

Noun: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

However if it is illegal it is murder, and if it happens without the mothers consent it is also murder, and anyway **** standard definitions it's killing a human.

The second part of your sentence about cancer surgery was just utterly ******ed tho, I am sorry to inform you

I used the term to specifically address the choice option. RP has been very clear he believes in choice. His first debate performance about heroin use, how it should be between a person and their own personal want/need, specifically in that it's victimless crime, lends credence to his civil liberties position.

But, when you begin to insert qualifications based on morals, can you still be that staunch advocate for civil liberties. That's where the GOP, and most conservatives, fall behind the liberal democrats in civil rights.

The side who has control will always believe they are operating in the best interest of all.


and to all, I was VERY CLEAR I didn't want the major hijack in play right now. Choice does not equal abortion, it never did and never will. If you have proof those two words have the same meaning, either supply the appropriate cite, or grow the **** up.

Pretty sure Paul doesn't think the right to choose extends to choosing to commit a crime against somebody cres. If you want to point out hypocrisy, you might want to actually find it first.

Sure, whatever, it's the librul media.

what does that even mean?

The difference between those that truly believe in civil rights, and those that either don't or just play lip service, is to place a qualifer. He could get that if he weren't ___________________. Because of his ___________, he must be guilty.

btw, you've taken the right to choose, applied it to one specific talking point, then tried to create a new reality`where you want a specific cite. not possible unless the game allows instantaneous goal post shifting.

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