The Tragic Death of the Republican Party - Page 713 - Politics and Economics

well they could do that but instead they opted to fumble around with some crazy religious stuff in response to trump, as outlined in their most recent platform meetings. so clearly they're still just clicking buttons

07-18-2016 , 11:00 AM

#17802

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

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Maybe Asians but never Hispanics. The base wouldn't have it.

07-18-2016 , 02:41 PM

#17803

DVaut1

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538: The End of A Republican Party

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“This isn’t the most artful way to say it, but it’s like, where do you go when the only people who seem to agree with you on taxes hate black people?” Howe laughed ruefully. “I think what you do is you say, ‘Well, I may lose but I can’t align myself with them.’”

But instead, Howe said, he made moral compromises he regrets.

“There are some things that I don’t have core values about, that I can be negotiable on, compromise on. But then there are other things that I can’t budge on,” he said. “I think I thought I had to budge on some things: ‘Yeah, this guy talking to me right now just said he agrees with my taxes and also we need to get that Kenyan out of office.’ Why did I stand there and say, ‘Yeah’? You know? I shouldn’t have done that. I should’ve said, ‘Wait, what? No, that’s stupid. You’re stupid. Don’t be stupid.’”

A lesson for everyone imo.

07-18-2016 , 02:44 PM

#17804

DVaut1

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Also agree this inevitable:

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“On the one hand, you have the autopsy folks, right?” she said, referring to those who concur with the findings of a 2012 report that said, among other things, that the GOP should reach out to minority voters. “You have the people that look at Donald Trump and they go, ‘He’s alienating Latino voters, he’s doing damage to the brand, he’s looking backwards, not forwards, he’s the opposite of what we needed.’”

The other Never Trump faction — “the Ted Cruz folks, the conservative purists,” as Soltis Anderson put it — would disagree with the diagnosis of why Trump was bad for the party. “Their main argument with Trump is not that he’s mean to Latinos; their main argument with Trump is that he’s not really a conservative, he’s not really one of us,” she said. “When all is said and done, those two Never Trump forces are going to blame each other for his existence.”

The prospect that the GOP leaders wouldn’t even be able to agree on why Trump — arguably the worst crisis the modern party has experienced — was even a crisis to begin with, seemed to say it all.

“There is no happy ending to this story,” she said.

Nothing is going to be learned from Trump imo and the GOP isn't failing enough across the board to realign significantly even if they lose the Presidency.

07-18-2016 , 03:05 PM

#17805

master3004

Revisionist Historian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

538: The End of A Republican Party

A lesson for everyone imo.

He shouldn't have called the stupid guy stupid. That would stiffle discussions on the best way to remove the Kenyan from office

07-18-2016 , 05:51 PM

#17806

Riverman

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Kind of an amazing sentence from Jeb!:

Jeb Bush: Trump does not represent the future of the country — or the GOP

Hey guys, Jeb! --who wanted to bar Muslim war refugees, who thought the Scarlet Letter should be a model for how we shame sluts, who doesn't think humans contribute to climate change, who opposed gay marriage and adoption-- is really upset that Trump is making the party look like a bunch of dumb bigots.

The "Trump is only popular with Republicans because Obama was a meanie" line reveals everything. Trump is just saying out loud what Poppys Willie Horton ad implied. GOP remains a total **** show.

07-18-2016 , 06:03 PM

#17807

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

Also agree this inevitable:

Nothing is going to be learned from Trump imo and the GOP isn't failing enough across the board to realign significantly even if they lose the Presidency.

This is something I and others here have been saying for a while: it's going to be very easy for hard-right Republicans to retcon 2016 and convince themselves that Trump was never a "true Republican". He's just some slick New Yorker who pals around with Clintons, pretends to read the Bible, and waffles on social issues like abortion and hating gays. If we want to win in 2020, we need a Real Conservative like Ted Cruz or Joe Arpaio or whoever. It's quite possible that they could delay #adapting for another four years. I'd like to think that losing three elections in a row will light a fire under them, but who knows.

07-18-2016 , 06:05 PM

#17808

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Yeah, and meanwhile, the racists haven't gone anywhere, and the secret is out on how to win a nomination courting them.

07-18-2016 , 07:32 PM

#17809

FlyWf

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If I had to guess, 2020's nominee will be a right wing media darling who can merge the racism and the fiscal stuff without the bombast or the obvious ignorance. A talk radio guy could totally do it.

07-19-2016 , 01:03 AM

#17810

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

If I had to guess, 2020's nominee will be a right wing media darling who can merge the racism and the fiscal stuff without the bombast or the obvious ignorance. A talk radio guy could totally do it.

The question is whether anyone like that wants to do it. Trump ran for publicity and because he's a narcissist. Why would a guy like Rush Limbaugh, say, want to run for President?

07-19-2016 , 03:55 AM

#17811

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Legalise pills?

07-19-2016 , 04:32 AM

#17812

iron81

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There are TONS of talk show hosts out there, literally hundreds, many of whom have government experience. The only catch would be capturing the spotlight as well as Trump.

07-19-2016 , 05:10 AM

#17813

spaceman Bryce

anything you guys want

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Is it taken for granted trump wont run again?

07-19-2016 , 07:18 AM

#17814

watevs

Pooh-Bah

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“I can tell you where to find Reagan Republicans: Go to a cemetery in Oakland County, Michigan. That’s where you find ’em.”

guy calls out one county in the entire country and its the one i grew up in for 20 years

07-19-2016 , 08:14 AM

#17815

Noze

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Not exactly a coincidence when you consider where Romney grew up and the makeup of that area.

07-19-2016 , 09:00 AM

#17816

einbert

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

Is it taken for granted trump wont run again?

Usually losing the big one (after getting the nomination) is seen as the mark of death for a politician, and they don't ever make any more serious runs at it after that.

Of course, knowing Trump, he might try to be the exception to this rule. But it would be tough. Being seen as a loser against Hillary would probably influence a lot of people to vote against him in a primary.

07-19-2016 , 09:19 AM

#17817

florentinopeces

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Maybe Asians but never Hispanics. The base wouldn't have it.

A lot of hispanics have a cowboy ethos (like their guns), do it yourself ethos (don't pay taxes), a love of family (women should be paid less), and value community (policing should focus on black people), so once they learn to speak English incoherently they should fit right in the Republican base.

07-19-2016 , 09:20 AM

#17818

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Yeah it takes away from the 'all i do is win' narrative when you've just lost. Having said that I wouldnt put it past trump to claim he did win, deny any evidence to the contrary and for his supporters to believe him.

07-19-2016 , 09:36 AM

#17819

LetsGambool

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When Trump reaches his likely defeat he is going to make sure to throw each and every other member of the Republican party under the bus with his coalition of the worst. Its going to be popcorn.gif time. Look at his history of turning on people, its entirely within his range to blame losing on the rigged election and the Republicans not really supporting him and spend the 2018 election season telling his supporters to vote against all Republicans. He wont run as a Republican again if he loses, but spite running third party in 2020 is, again, entirely in his range. Its not like he actually has deep felt affinity for Republican policies or gives a **** about actually improving the country.

07-19-2016 , 11:33 AM

#17820

King_of_NYC

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Their platform indicates otherwise. 66 pages of shock and awe:

https://www.gop.com/platform/

Last edited by King_of_NYC; 07-19-2016 at 11:36 AM. Reason: better link

07-19-2016 , 01:08 PM

#17821

King_of_NYC

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Doubling down on the homophobia

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A Sacred Contract: Defense of Marriage**(Top)

That is why Congressional Republicans took the lead in enacting the Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of States and the federal government not to recognize same-sex relationships licensed in other jurisdictions. The current Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle – in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base, and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts – makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath. We commend the United States House of Representatives and State Attorneys General who have defended these laws when they have been attacked in the courts. We reaffirm our support for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. We applaud the citizens of the majority of States which have enshrined in their constitutions the traditional concept of marriage, and we support the campaigns underway in several other States to do so.

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Preserving and Protecting Traditional Marriage**(Top)

The institution of marriage is the foundation of civil society. Its success as an institution will determine our success as a nation. It has been proven by both experience and endless social science studies that traditional marriage is best for children. Children raised in intact married families are more likely to attend college, are physically and emotionally healthier, are less likely to use drugs or alcohol, engage in crime, or get pregnant outside of marriage. The success of marriage directly impacts the economic well-being of individuals. Furthermore, the future of marriage affects freedom. The lack of family formation not only leads to more government costs, but also to more government control over the lives of its citizens in all aspects. We recognize and honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the many burdens of parenting alone, even as we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage. We embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with respect and dignity.

07-19-2016 , 01:18 PM

#17822

King_of_NYC

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The ban on abortion in all forms and the appointing of "family values" judges while simultaneously decrying activist judges currently in place

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The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life**(Top)

Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Republican leadership has led the effort to prohibit the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion and permitted States to extend health care coverage to children before birth. We urge Congress to strengthen the Born Alive Infant Protection Act by enacting appropriate civil and criminal penalties on healthcare providers who fail to provide treatment and care to an infant who survives an abortion, including early induction delivery where the death of the infant is intended. We call for legislation to ban sex-selective abortions – gender discrimination in its most lethal form – and to protect from abortion unborn children who are capable of feeling pain; and we applaud U.S. House Republicans for leading the effort to protect the lives of pain-capable unborn children in the District of Columbia. We call for a ban on the use of body parts from aborted fetuses for research. We support and applaud adult stem cell research to develop lifesaving therapies, and we oppose the killing of embryos for their stem cells. We oppose federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

We also salute the many States that have passed laws for informed consent, mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation. We seek to protect young girls from exploitation through a parental consent requirement; and we affirm our moral obligation to assist, rather than penalize, women challenged by an unplanned pregnancy. We salute those who provide them with counseling and adoption alternatives and empower them to choose life, and we take comfort in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.

07-19-2016 , 01:23 PM

#17823

King_of_NYC

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Coal as a clean energy and the return of Federally protected lands to states for stuff...

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Our Nation’s Energy Abundance**(Top)

Coal is a low-cost and abundant energy source with hundreds of years of supply. We look toward the private sector’s development of new, state-of-the-art coal-fired plants that will be low-cost, environmentally responsible, and efficient. We also encourage research and development of advanced technologies in this sector, including coal-to-liquid, coal gasification, and related technologies for enhanced oil recovery.

The current Administration – with a President who publicly threatened to bankrupt anyone who builds a coal-powered plant – seems determined to shut down coal production in the United States, even though there is no cost-effective substitute for it or for the hundreds of thousands of jobs that go with it as the nation’s largest source of electricity generation. We will end the EPA’s war on coal and encourage the increased safe development in all regions of the nation’s coal resources, the jobs it produces, and the affordable, reliable energy that it provides for America. Further, we oppose any and all cap and trade legislation.

All estimates of America’s oil and natural gas reserves indicate an incredible bounty for the use of many generations to come. At a time when unemployment has been above 8 percent for 42 consecutive months, the longest stretch since the Great Depression, and some 23 million Americans are either unemployed, underemployed, or have given up on finding work, we should be pursuing our oil and gas resources both on and offshore. It is nonsensical to spurn real job creation by putting almost all of our coastal waters off limits to energy exploration, while urging other nations to explore their coasts. We call for a reasoned approach to all offshore energy development on the East Coast and other appropriate waters, and support the right of States to a reasonable share of the resulting revenue and royalties. We support opening the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) for energy exploration and development and ending the current Administration’s moratorium on permitting; opening the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) for exploration and production of oil and natural gas; and allowing for more oil and natural gas exploration on federally owned and controlled land. We support this development in accordance with applicable environmental, health and safety laws, and regulations.

07-19-2016 , 01:25 PM

#17824

DVaut1

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Story on the healthy state of the media on the right:

http://www.businessinsider.com/drudg...t-trump-2016-7

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But some observers say that one man may have had the power to prevent Donald Trump's accession within the Republican Party: Matt Drudge.

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"In a sense, the Drudge Report acts both as a waterfall creating a 'trickle down' effect within the right-leaning (and sometimes mainstream media) as well as a gravitational force drawing stories to its preferred narrative," conservative talk-radio host John Ziegler said in a Mediaite column earlier this year.

Since its inception in 1996, the Drudge Report has been a home to conservatives who feel disenfranchised by traditional media. Drudge has marketed his website as a news destination not controlled by corporate interests or politicians.

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Insiders of all political stripes and professions furiously refresh his website throughout the day in their attempts to stay a step ahead of the news cycle. Almost any cable-news producer will reluctantly acknowledge having his website bookmarked as a regular destination. Emails released in December even revealed that Hillary Clinton's State Department kept tabs on the page, flagging stories featured on the website as possible public-relations headaches.

Moreover, as a link aggregator, Drudge does not host any content of his own on his website. Instead, he simply writes headlines and links out to stories from around the web, providing the beneficiary with high volumes of readers.

In fact, Drudge was the top traffic referrer to The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Fox News, and other news outlets in 2015, according to a Vocativ report. The report said the site accounted for a staggering 52% of referral traffic to the Associated Press.

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"[B]ecause of the enormous traffic and attention that a well-placed Drudge link can bring, when it becomes clear what narrative Matt is favoring, a literal 'market' is created for stories which fit that storyline so that they might be linked on the Drudge Report. For instance, it is my strong belief that, if Drudge had not gotten on the Trump bandwagon, Breitbart.com would never have so overtly done so, because they wouldn't have had the same financial/traffic incentives."

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And in 2016, Drudge made it known that he was assigning only pro-Trump stories. He rewarded those who authored stories favorable to the real-estate mogul with frequent links while he simultaneously discouraged those critical of the Manhattan billionaire by blacklisting them from his page.

The message sent to journalists was simple: If you want Drudge traffic, then cover the news through a pro-Trump lens.

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Ziegler concluded that Drudge is, in effect, an assignment editor for the news media, particularly outlets that lean or are outright conservative.

Matt Drudge, Assignment Editor. Healthy place for a movement to be.