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The Tragic Death of Mike Brown: No Indictment, No Peace The Tragic Death of Mike Brown: No Indictment, No Peace

09-28-2014 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I am still waiting on the tox screen of the off duty cop
Good point. I suppose if the cop was drunk or stoned he could have done something to incite the shooting. Should check his phone for pictures of sizzurp too.
09-28-2014 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Once again, Mojo56, the biggest pro-government cheerleader on 2+2, is speculating on the interwebs. Why, oh why, wont he let the cops, DA, charging Magistrate/Grand Jury do their jobs ??
Oh Trolly, once again a massive fail.

09-28-2014 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mojo56
Oh Trolly, once again a massive fail.
Well, you tell us... and not counting your well documented pro-government cheer leading, of course.

Why is it oh-so-bad to speculate when the shooter is a governmental agent -vs-
it being just fine-and-dandy to speculate (calling him a looter) when the shooter is a civilian?
09-28-2014 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mojo56
Officer saw suspects breaking into a business. Suspects were rightfully upset that their looting party honoring Mike Brown was interrupted. Obviously officer deserved to be shot.
I read on Myspace that the cop was involved in the riots after the Michael Brown shooting, if this is true it changes everything.
09-28-2014 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ElliotR
Before you move, you tell the cop where the license/registration/whatever is. Then when he says ok you get it.


Note I'm not saying that this should be necessary or legally required. But it is what I do.

I saw the video and agree the cop needs to be charged but even in Canada that is what I have done. Trigger happy cops are everywhere. Though seeing all these videos if I was black in the USA and pulled over by white cop. I roll down my windows and put my hands out.
09-28-2014 , 10:46 PM
An editorial in the Post-Dispatch.
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There are seven leaders in Missouri who have not yet been called on to address the long-long-buried problems that have been exhumed since the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown and the subsequent protests in Ferguson and elsewhere in the St. Louis region.
The seven are a diverse group who, for the most part, rise above the political bickering that infests most of our other government institutions. Here are their names:

Mary R. Russell, Paul C. Wilson, Zel M. Fischer, George W. Draper III, Laura Denvir Stith, Patricia Breckenridge and Richard B. Teitelman. These are the judges of the Missouri Supreme Court.

They can and should play a major role in bringing about significant change to the broken government systems in north St. Louis County. Tens of thousands of Missouri’s citizens, most of them African-American, have been disenfranchised by the government that is supposed to serve them.

With a pen and not a sword, the Missouri Supreme Court can help rebuild Ferguson and pave a path toward justice.
Of all the societal issues that have bubbled up as a result of Ferguson’s summer of unrest — including racial strife, underfunded schools, divided government, police brutality and hostility — the one that might be easiest to fix is a municipal court system that treats traffic fines as an ATM for city treasuries and a clique of lawyers. Fixing the municipal courts could have a wide-ranging positive effect on other issues.

Already, various municipalities, including Ferguson, are seeking to make changes to a court system that sometimes, in effect, jails people for being poor. Separately, the officers of the various courts, municipal judges, lawyers and prosecutors, have formed a committee to recommend changes, most of them headed in the right direction.

But the Supreme Court should not let the fox do repairs on the hen house. Ferguson’s City Council announced its changes from on high without any public meetings, probably in violation of the Sunshine Law, thus invalidating changes that don’t go far enough anyway.

One of the biggest problems with the courts is the rampant conflict of interest between attorneys who often fill multiple roles — prosecutor in some of the county’s 81 municipal courts, judges in others. This is a system set up less to administer justice than to fill municipal coffers and enrich a few key players. Those players should not be trusted to fix what is broken.
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If the Supreme Court doesn’t act to respond to clear violations of civil rights, others will. Already, Arch City Defenders and two St. Louis University law professors, Brendan Roediger and John Ammann, are prepared to sue the municipal courts to protect the constitutional rights of citizens.

If various reform efforts don’t work, “we are prepared to file litigation and it won’t be six months from now,” Mr. Roediger said.
I am skeptical that one group of lawyers should stop different lawyers from screwing people else a different group of lawyers will step in with some more lawyering is a great plan.
09-28-2014 , 11:05 PM
33BB - excellent work as usual.
09-28-2014 , 11:43 PM
Ferguson cop who got shot had a body cam, but mysteriously it was not turned on. Cops originally said he was investigating a burglary with two suspects, now saying it was only one suspect and no burglary took place.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...d9dc40afe.html
09-28-2014 , 11:46 PM
lol at already having a turned off body cam incident.
09-29-2014 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ElliotR
Before you move, you tell the cop where the license/registration/whatever is. Then when he says ok you get it.


Note I'm not saying that this should be necessary or legally required. But it is what I do.
I agree. The thing to remember, especially if you are black, is the cop is afraid of you, you might be a criminal. You should not make sudden movements during a traffic stop. You should not carry an unboxed pellet gun and walk around a store with it.

I had to take away a BB gun from my teen son that he bought with his own money years ago. He was upset but it was for his own good, I did not want him accidentally shot by a cop.

One radical solution to solve this problem which will be probably ridiculed here is that any cop who shoots an unarmed person should lose their job. Cops get good pay, early retirement, great pensions they should be prepared to take risks.
09-29-2014 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Though seeing all these videos if I was black in the USA and pulled over by white cop. I roll down my windows and put my hands out.
Big mistake

09-29-2014 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo027
Ferguson cop who got shot had a body cam, but mysteriously it was not turned on. Cops originally said he was investigating a burglary with two suspects, now saying it was only one suspect and no burglary took place.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...d9dc40afe.html
See, my wait and see strategy paying off. Look at all the lies already exposed, it's becoming clear this was not the good coo the lamesteam media wants you to think.

Involved in riots
Not a woman
Turned off body cam
No burglary
"Investigating" a suspect
Not dead

Pretty clear what was going on.

(At this point parody is merging with reality, oops)
09-29-2014 , 12:14 PM
Cops not only turning off body cams, but taking off their badges (after the DOJ specifically told them not to). Also reports of cop cars rolling about without license plates.


@akacharleswade is a pretty decent "on the ground" follow for this stuff.
09-29-2014 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Pretty clear what was going on.
Not to me. What are you implying?
09-29-2014 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Well, you tell us... and not counting your well documented pro-government cheer leading, of course.

Why is it oh-so-bad to speculate when the shooter is a governmental agent -vs-
it being just fine-and-dandy to speculate (calling him a looter) when the shooter is a civilian?
Are all your posts this bad or is it just when you are trolling me?

I never said that we could not speculate here (although I have not speculated once on what happened in the Mike Brown shooting). I was criticizing a journalist whose speculation included the words 'executed' and 'murdered' but whose 'evidence' was contradicted by his own words. It was HIS speculation that I felt was misguided. He needs to be held to a higher standard than the posters on this forum.

As for the most recent shooting, I was commenting based on the information that was released at the time. The original report was that 2 people were caught in the act of burglarizing a business. If the police lied to cover wrong doing on their part than they need to be held accountable.
09-29-2014 , 04:53 PM
lol. "You haven't speculated once," instead you've just posted a speculative report that is contradicted by every non-cop eyewitness we have on record.
09-29-2014 , 06:13 PM
Hey so right-wing media has, for some ****ing reason, done some digging into the Walmart shooting guy.

Guess if they found stuff that the Liberal Media didn't want to tell you, because of The Narrative?
http://gotnews.com/fraud-media-lies-...mart-shooting/
09-29-2014 , 06:51 PM
I have wondered for a while if they have a case against Wal-Mart, for selling a gun unboxed that looks so realistic. But also you know its a ****ing toy and he was given no chance to surrender when they executed him so mostly I just want the cops to pay a huge settlement.

Its super lol at digging into his background. We have the video of what happened, we dont need to go minority report on the guy to work out the probability he was pointing the toy at people when walking around the store on his phone. Also defending the caller who has admitted he was full of **** is a curious line to take.
09-29-2014 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GEAUX UL
Not to me. What are you implying?
Cmon, you know. Its fine, we are all thinking the exact same thing.
09-29-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mojo56
... I was criticizing a journalist whose speculation included the words 'executed' and 'murdered' but whose 'evidence' was contradicted by his own words...
If you #feel a journalist wrote a bad article, that's one thing.

But WTF does anything any journalist writes (good, bad, speculative, whatever) have to do with not "letting a Grand Jury do it's job" ??
09-29-2014 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Hey so right-wing media has, for some ****ing reason, done some digging into the Walmart shooting guy.

Guess if they found stuff that the Liberal Media didn't want to tell you, because of The Narrative?
http://gotnews.com/fraud-media-lies-...mart-shooting/
Once cops start wearing google glass it will end even the flirtation with their being charged in these cases. Facial recognition linked to a national crime database on one side of the HU display and the suspect's facebook on the other will transform the average GED holding, trigger happy sociopath into an elite pre-crime municipal officer. Perp tweet scroll optional.
09-30-2014 , 01:15 PM
If you want access to certain documents in Ferguson, you're gonna have to pay up. But we'll gladly release this video of the dead person swiping some cigars for free!

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ea801...ver-city-files
09-30-2014 , 03:10 PM
Read that yesterday. Totally disgusting.
09-30-2014 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by waldo027
If you want access to certain documents in Ferguson, you're gonna have to pay up. But we'll gladly release this video of the dead person swiping some cigars for free!

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ea801...ver-city-files
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Karr said searching emails for key words constitutes "extra computer programming" that can bring added costs.

09-30-2014 , 04:19 PM
It's good that the Brown shooting is no longer dominating national news. It is sad when the media and others lead us along and tell us what should be important to us. All possible crime victims are as important as Mr. Brown is, but so many others were ignored because they didn't fit into the story the media wanted us to follow.

This article is a good case in point:

Houma dodged a racial bullet: James Varney

http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.s..._bullet_j.html

If a white cop had shot and killed that 14-year-old kid in Houma last Tuesday, there's a good chance Houma would be a household word. The town dodged a racial bullet.

Terrebonne Parish Sheriff's deputies responded in force to reports armed "men" had entered an abandoned house. Houma is not some sprawling, crime-riddled metropolis; chances are good everyone knew or could see the house was abandoned.

When the story broke Tuesday night, no details on the race of either Tillman or the Terrebonne Parish Sheriff's deputy were provided. It was only subsequent reports that revealed the cop who killed the teenager was black, and now the story is quiet.

Then on Thursday a story emerged that a South Carolina state police trooper had shot an unarmed man in Columbia. The victim was trying to get his wallet out of his car when the trooper fired three shots. Fortunately, the trooper was such a lousy shot he only hit the man once in the hip. The incident was captured on the dashboard camera of the trooper's car; he has been fired and arrested.

How do we know about that obscure incident? The media has flooded the zone there. The Los Angeles Times sent one of their top reporters out to do a story on the wounding. CNN and ABC News are on the case.

In South Carolina, however, the trooper was a white man and the poor guy he shot was black. Consequently, reporters are trying to make that a national affair.

In Houma, meanwhile, the situation appears calm. Small business owners must be grateful for the peace. The community has a chance to understand exactly what went down at the threshold of that abandoned house and cope with their loss. The teenager's family won't ever be the same, the deputy (assuming he's a good cop and a decent man) will live with a video playing and playing in his head that I wouldn't wish on an enemy.

If, on the other hand, it had been a white SWAT team deputy who shot and killed Tillman? Well, remember what went down in Ferguson, Mo., and look at what the media is doing in South Carolina's capital.

      
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