WTF is going on? How do you screw up a bonanza like killing OBL? Seems clear to me this administration is close to incompetent. They better thank god for the military and intelligence agency.

I think it's more that no matter what Obama does the right wing echo chamber will find fault with it. I don't think they really screwed anything up here, it might not give him a huge bump in the polls since a decent percentage of the country will hate him no matter what he does.

All the hype this morning about Obama making his first trip to ground zero as potus, and then using it as an election act, from the right, got me thinking. Did Bush ever return there as potus? Turns out he never did, one time on the pile and never again.

So the current potus goes there and gets ****, if he didn't go he'd get ****.

al queda planned a 10th anniversary attack

a) how sentimental

b) lol americans don't ride trains dumbasses

Sounds like a Source Code rip off.

wat

Now that movie makes sense

Maddow did a segment on this exact situation. She listed, oh maybe 25 BIG things, the Obama administration has done in its 1st 2 years. The one thing you have them on is the grandeur that previous administrations have done to celebrate lesses things. You know, like fly off the Calif, coast to give a victory speech, or boast on the fortune of the country while going further and further in debt. For some reason, Obama doesn't feel the need to have extravagant events.

meh

More like mitigating the affects of a financial coup de tat, juggling MENA, mulling over peak, and putting lipstick on two money pit occupations abroad.

Not to mention the pending insolvency of several U.S. states.

But nah... let's focus on the fact that he can dunk on you, and how angry you are about it.

Mike Ruppert on the DNA narrative:

Let’s start with what I consider the most-obvious proof that the Obama administration is lying. It comes from a world-class microbiologist who allowed me to use this quote on condition of anonymity. The simple proof of his accuracy is to just ask any microbiologist experienced in DNA sequencing about his statement. There are tens of thousands of them around the world.

Here is what he wrote me:

"I am a molecular biologist and I've built a lucrative career in human genetics. I have run one of the world's largest and most productive DNA genotyping facilities and now I am helping to build the global market for clinical whole human genome sequencing for the world's largest human genome sequencing facility. I have worked with the absolute best genome scientists from the military, academia, medicine, and industry from around the world. I know DNA. And, one thing I know about DNA is that you cannot, repeat CANNOT: take a tissue sample from a shot-in-the-noggin-dead-guy in a north central Pakistan special forces op, extract the DNA, prepare the DNA for assay, test the DNA, curate the raw DNA sequence data, assemble the reads or QC the genotype, compare the tested DNA to a reference, and make a positive identity determination…. all in 12 hours- let alone transport the tissue samples all the places they'd need to have gone in order to get this done.

Some might try to argue that ruggedized, field ready kits could test a DNA sample- which is true if one is attempting to determine the CLASS of a bacteria. It is not true if one is trying to determine the specific identity of an individual. Any way you slice it, the real work would require days, and I find it unlikely (although not impossible) that an aircraft carrier would have a laboratory outfitted for this kind of work… it is not the Starship Enterprise out there.

So, maybe they did get Osama. But there is no ****ing way they had any genetic proof of it by the time they dumped the body over the side. What is it that we are not supposed to see with all this distraction? I think the French call it "legerdemain".

Al Qaeda has confirmed through a statement on jihadist online forums that Osama bin Laden was killed on May 1 2011.

Jiggs, what do you think, in percentage numbers, the chances of the following are:

1. bin Laden died in a US raid on May 1 2011 and was dumped into the ocean.
2. bin Laden died some time ago, the US knew it and faked his death over the last week.
3. bin Laden is still alive and at large somewhere.
4. bin Laden is being ****ed up the ass by a German Shepard in a CIA black-site somewhere.

Mike Ruppert, world renowned expert in all kinds of stuff. Dudes our civilization's own Da Vinci.

Al-Qaeda 'confirms Osama Bin Laden dead

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

Indeed.

I just spoke to my friend who just so happens to also be an anonymous world-class microbiologist and he told me that Mike Ruppert's guy is full of crap.

NOW WHAT!?!!?

Dude, everyone knows Al Qaeda is run by the CIA and any "jihadist forum" is run from Langley, Virginia.

Away with your silly false flags!

My guy said they're both wrong, and if you have to ask why, you wouldn't understand the answer. Then he lit up a Winston Light and blew 3 smoke rings while staring at the ceiling and rubbing his chin.

Jiggs, fwiw this is just wrong. DNA is identified through a general procedure known as a Southern Blot and I completed it, for the first time, in a 3 hour undergraduate lab.

Well, provided any one journalist does their job in the coming weeks and truly presses the issue with a molecular biologist willing to go on the record, I'm guessing we'll be finding out the truth on that issue soon enough.

Either way, the WH story continues to unravel... on multiple levels. They're so clueless at this point, after running their mouths for three days, they've gone into full information lockdown mode. Smart. ... I'm beginning to wonder if Obama's little video party there was duped. Or had to switch to "plan B."

Good to see the obligatory gamut of responses I knew I'd get on that one tho:

- surface dismiss the author
- surface dismiss his source because it's anonymous
- claim the scientist is just wrong/dishonest without saying why
- link to Wiki

Can we keep the conspiracy nutter stuff in the conspiracy nutter thread please?

lol ok bro.

I dont get why they wouldn't release the phontos. I know they found a cache of info (I believe reading the term mother load), using this information along with the tactic of inciting al queda, seems like a sure fire way to deal them the death blow (when your enemy is angry, agitate him)

I always find it amazing the attention to detail some have about the 2nd most secretive vessels on the oceans of this planet, (the 1st being nuclear submarines). To me, it's an automatic rejection of every point they may possibly have, due to arrogance of date collected. If one fact has been made up (the facilities, or lack thereof, aboard the carrier) then the probability of all of it being made up is high.


eta: In the past to get a water analysis, a sample needed to be sent to a distant lab, and the results may be returned in 2 months. Now you can purchase a test kit online, or in your locale, and obtain the results before your coffee is cold.

My O/U on the world economy collapsing went down about 10 percentage points when I found out Jiggs was also a conspiracy nut.

Are you guys living in an alternative universe? The thing that Obama had no role in carrying out, only authorizing, the military action, went as well as anyone could ever hope. The thing that Obama had a primary role in crafting, the PR and reportage about the military's spectacular raid, has been close to a disaster. It's been nothing but walkbacks, mistatements, blown opportunities, etc.

Given this, despite my initial reaction I'm really not sure I'm ready to credit him any longer with having meticulously oversaw the mission's planning. The one thing I know he meticulously oversaw went completely FUBAR. This was their part of the mission, just telling the public and the world what happened. And they made just about every mistake possible.