And this was never more apparent than Obama's line about "3,000 Americas ripped from us.", while ignoring the ripping apart of families that we've been doing ever since.

Well, maybe those people we're bombing should just realize that "freedom isn't free" and shut up about it.

You did not read my post closely enough.

People celebrating a death out of sheer hatred and desire for vengeance are no different than people celebrating a death out of sheer hatred and desire for vengeance.

I obv did not realize the quote was falsely attributed to MLK and apologize for doing so. I obv still feel strongly about the quote despite knowing this new fact.

That said, why, because we're on one side of the war and they're on the other? This is tantamount to saying, "Well, they started it!"

The "War on Terror" neither began with 9/11, nor ended with OBL's death.

That is not what I imply if you understand my post correctly.

There is a difference between "Yeah we got that mother****er!" And "Hooray, we took a huge step in moving toward peace!"

One is exactly what terrorist-sympathizers were doing in the streets after 9/11 and Americans in the streets of DC after OBL died.

Gave up on accusations of Chilean nationals smuggling heroin already?

yeah. We should have let him b.

MIRITE?

pretty sure most of ******s dancing on the streets are not doing so because of the "advancement of peace in the world". They are just loads of drunk people without much going on in their lives. Hordes of ignorant people with a very stupid concept of justice.

that goes both ways though right? I mean, when people in the middleeast did that after the WTC attack. they were ******s dancing on the streets?

Honestly, its absolutely pathetic to be cheering at the deaths of thousands of innocent people like they did when the WTC attacks were successful.

I'm just in time! False moral equivalencies are my favorite!

Reminds me of the Michael Vick threads back in the day.... anyone who has ever eaten a hamburger is exactly the same as someone who electrocutes dogs for entertainment.

Now we have, celebrating the death of a mass murderer is the same as celebrating the deaths of 3,000+ random innocent civilians!

Seriously though, is your eqiuvalence arugment because both celebrations are "motivated by sheer hatred"?

Just because two actions have the same motivation don't make them equivalent. I went to work today because I wanted some money. I guess I coulda just robbed a gas station. I mean after all, both actions are motivated by a desire for money and therefore the same amirite.

Eventually you just get to the fundamental point of "They think we're evil and we think they're evil." If you're a moral relativist than you're free to make the argument that all ideologies are the same, but I don't think so.

Because I don't think there is anything worth climbing a lightpost, hanging upside down and cracking open a beer and pouring it on the people below you while a cop tries to coax you down. But that is just me.

And I know the motivation is to temper the "USA #1 WE RULE!" stupidity but there is a sane middle ground between believing the USA is perfect and justified and everything they do (which is ******ed) and believing that we're as evil or worse as other countries and we deserve all the bad stuff that they do to us (which is also ******ed).

While I agree with the above I think the discussion was largely just about the idea of publicly celebrating a killing.

Perhaps you are unaware of our country's great history throughout Latin America.

I mocked him for claiming that someone is an idiot for not believing the CIA is a huge drug smuggler - but you know that.

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Hey Tom, how about coming down on Jiggs for mischaracterizing his arguments to the point of flat-out lying? Or how about coming down on these obvious shills with April and May join dates who have obviously joined for the sole purpose of posting freeper moonbat **** in political threads? Maybe I deserve to be censored. But there's some serious shenanigans going on in this forum lately.

Absolutely.

Those are two different actions driven by the same motive. My case is the same action driven by the same motive.

This is about motive for wanting someone to die.

X people in America want OBL dead in the name of national security among other things.

Y people want him dead for the same reason OBL and other extremists (namely the ones who celebrated 9/11) wanted 3k+ Americans dead.

There are people who are X and Y at the same time. It's a natural feeling to be in either one or both camps, as hatred is a natural human emotion, but the Y camp are the people who make those two photos equivalent.

I hope people can understand the distinction I'm trying to make here, as I obviously understand that 1 mass murderer justifiably executed does not = 3,000 innocent men, women, and children murdered in cold blood.

its off topic, and no, I have no issue with chilean nationals that don't run my country into the ground, Thats not the thanks america deserves for allowing them to come to the U.S. and stand outside the parking lots of Home Depots to seek gainfull employment.

Wow. I didn't think Olbermann could get any more pathetic. I was wrong.

I'm not going to go on too much about this because I only started by objecting to certain statements and didn't want to get into an elaborate discussion. That being said...

This is true. There are many false moral equivalencies. That being said, if you were someone who though that killing animals for food was immoral then the above may not be morally equivalent but they would both be bad.

Again, like above, some people think its wrong the celebrate any death. (I'm not saying that's my position but I think there's a lot of value in this quote regardless of who sayed it. "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars." While its not attributed to Jesus, I'm betting this would be right up his alley.)

When I addressed this above, I was pointing out that in the eyes of others OBL may not be a murderer. The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is largely determined by nationality.

From the perspective of people who aren't friendly with the US, OBL was at war with the US and the attacks on 9/11 were acts of war. When the US bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima we instantly killed between 150-200K people who were mostly civilians. I think its pretty easy for many in the US to justify those attacks.

Anyone who concludes that one side is evil and the other isn't looking at both sides of the issue. While I don't condone what OBL did, I think many people use a overly simply classification that he's just evil. There were political reasons for what he did. I'm pretty certain if some foreign power was inhabiting our country and meddling with our affairs that many in the US would feel justified in attacking the other country.

I found a better quote sums up my feelings:

"Flying planes into buildings is, in my opinion, one of the most ****ed up things a terror organization can do. It should not be tolerated. Not by me, not by you, not by any man with integrity or honor." - Socrates

ok so let me get this straight: he didn't even have a gun and didn't return fire then on top of that they executed him in front of his 12 yo daughter?

Goodness so much fail ITT..

Celebrating because of a crashed ameican fighter jet on a bombing run in your country = celebrating bin ladens death.

Celebrating 9/11 is not.

What do you people not understand about this?

also lol anything else matters besides OBL being dead.

This is flawed by over-simplification of american ideology.

What you claim as B.S. is actually true albeit not the only reason why they attack us. Again your logic is flawed by over-simplifying american ideology.

I'm curious if you are aware of the reason why they attack us and if you accept their reasons as both valid and worthwhile. In other words do you believe america is to blame for extremist attacks on our civilians?


Quit trying to be smart because your failing at it. There is an inherent difference and it goes along the lines of intent. The US does not purposely target civilians. Trying to use faulty logic and then using a poor semantic argument to compare american action to terrorist only leads you down the path of ignorance.

Yes, I disagree. And no, it isn't a fact.