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05-03-2011 , 11:33 AM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A woman killed during the raid of Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan was not his wife and was not used as a human shield by the al Qaeda leader before his death, a U.S. official said on Monday, correcting an earlier description.
John Brennan, President Barack Obama's top counter- terrorism adviser, told reporters earlier that the slain woman had been one of bin Laden's wives and had been used -- perhaps voluntarily -- as a shield during the firefight.
However, a different White House official said that account had turned out not to be the case. Bin Laden's wife was injured but not killed in the assault.
U.S. officials have said a small U.S. strike team, dropped by helicopter to bin Laden's hide-out near the Pakistani capital of Islamabad under cover of night, shot the al Qaeda leader dead with bullets to the chest and head. He did not return fire.
05-03-2011 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by schummlalala
A mass murder doesn't deserve a trial.
its troubling that people would state this as a general principle.
05-03-2011 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Not_In_My_Name
Brool story co. And we'll just completely ignore what exactly they are celebrating.

Celebrating the death of a mass murdering terrorist is exactly the same as celebrating the cold-blooded murder of 3000 or so innocent people right?

Idiot.
the difference between a war hero/freedom fighter and a murderer is largely what side of the fence you are on.
05-03-2011 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by schummlalala
A mass murder doesn't deserve a trial.

?
I agree. George W. Bush and his government do not deserve a trial for what they did to the American people.
05-03-2011 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
As far as I can tell, you have a serious deficiency in paraphrasing my prose accurately.

Lie much?
You? Yeah, I think you do. Didn't you just get accused in another thread of posting something, having someone reply to you, then editing your thread and saying the replier didn't read what you were saying correctly?
05-03-2011 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by coffee_monster
You? Yeah, I think you do. Didn't you just get accused in another thread of posting something, having someone reply to you, then editing your thread and saying the replier didn't read what you were saying correctly?
By your punt, I'll take that as an admission that you made up two positions about CIA drug trafficking that I never said. But then, you were a unabashed fraud in the energy briefs thread. Why would it be any different here?

As for the other read, note the time stamp of my edit, and explain how your pap above even follows your claim.
05-03-2011 , 12:24 PM
this thread is terrible and full of ignorance. standard and depressing
05-03-2011 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
By your punt, I'll take that as an admission that you made up two positions about CIA drug trafficking that I never said. But then, you were a unabashed fraud in the energy briefs thread. Why would it be any different here?

As for the other read, note the time stamp of my edit, and explain how your pap above even follows your claim.
Damn, you're still whining about not understanding what a simple demand curve was. And then calling *me* an unabashed fraud? That's hilarious.

And I did look over the quotes...you said something about the CIA drug trade and that money from that helped prevent the 2008 banking crisis from being even worse (implying lots of money), and then you have the quote from just before my post, where you said 'I don't think you can say the CIA had nothing to do with the drug trade'.
05-03-2011 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SnotBoogy
in before world is in path of gigantic asteroid
i missed on OP
05-03-2011 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Not_In_My_Name
Cool strawman bro. When have I advocated blanket bombing Muslims. Idiot.

btw - lookie what I found. 3000 celebrated Pinochets death in Chile. There are lots more reports I found too.

But you gave anecdotal evidence that everyone in Chile called them idiots! So I should believe you! Chileans are pure and perfect, and much better than those bloodthirsty Americans celebrating OBLs death! And there were no Americans calling the celebrators idiots at all!

Look how happy they all look!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ExTATazbAZHA8QO73fnlB Q&ved=0CDUQvwUoAQ&q=chileans+celebrating+pinochet% 27s+death&spell=1&biw=1366&bih=639

But you and your left wing friends condemned them, so that means Chilean culture must be far superior to that of the United States!
3000 people = few morons, or are we going to discuss semantics? Our president who was personally tortured and kept in prison during Pinochet years acted much more dignified than Obama did, I didnt hear my head of state claiming " zomg , the families can be happy now".

Or has any american politician actually criticized people for celebrating the death of Osama?
The only ones with balls to say anything are the usual suspects.

Also stop strawmanning me, Im not saying our culture is superior or anything, I think chilean culture absolutely sucks, Im not proud to be a chilean or anything, BUT we are still less violent than americans, hopefully we have learned something after so many civil conflicts and bloodsheds throughout history. For instance we dont have the death penalty, our goverment doesnt torture people, etc.
I see a lot of brutality in USA that I dont see in Chile, you think that Im patriotic because of my avatar but Im not, I dont give a ****, Im even rooting against us in the Hague conflict we have with Peru.

Also you still havent answered the question:

Do you think north atlantic culture is superior to muslim culture? yes or no. Your whole " we are human beings " discourse is pure bull**** you think north atantic > rest of the world. You want NATO to rule the rest of the world. Im not buying for a single second that you actually believe what you wrote there about human beings all being equally good and bad.
The fact that you went on a google search to prove me wrong shows how much you are into this us > 3rd world bull**** mentality that is being used as a justification to opress innocent people.
05-03-2011 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Not_In_My_Name
There are plenty of examples of this. You think the IRA came to the negotiating table because we played nice. Like they weren't because we were killing or arresting many of their leaders? Get real.
This doesn't jibe with my impression of the long drawn-out peace process. Which leaders in particular? And who is "we" - do you mean British security forces?
05-03-2011 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SnotBoogy
naw, i'd just expect more out of americans. perhaps notsomuch

in other news, the human shield story and fighting back seem to be made up

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110502/...laden_usa_wife
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Originally Posted by snagglepuss
this thread is terrible and full of ignorance. standard and depressing
Not just this thread, but the entire coverage is so 'reality show' driven its actually painful more than comical to watch. A covert mission was sent to perform a task, and now all the citizens, want all the details released, so they can watch it in living color. There are news desks tripping over each other with 'experts' who state without a doubt, who was responsible and how they may have completed the task.

wiklileaks was considered by many to be some sort of treasonous act(which it wasn't), Valerie Plame, who was a covert agent, was outed without a concern by her own superiors (and for all her fellow operators, and their fellow operators, etc, etc), and now these covert operators face a demand for their identities, so that their comrades can be hunted, and their comrades can be hunted.

The need for a real life Mission Impossible is strong for such a paranoid country.
05-03-2011 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
The fact that you went on a google search to prove me wrong shows how much you are into this us > 3rd world bull**** mentality that is being used as a justification to opress innocent people.
Please elaborate on the people we are oppressing?
05-03-2011 , 01:08 PM
Am I the only US citizen itt that thinks the basic values valenzuela expresses regarding democracy and rule of law are like pretty much right on the money?
05-03-2011 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
wiklileaks was considered by many to be some sort of treasonous act(which it wasn't).
Explain to me how a US soldier violating US law by providing sensitive national security documents to a non-cleared person is not a treasonous act.
05-03-2011 , 01:11 PM
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Please elaborate on the people we are oppressing?
lol, seriously? The neocon argument is that if you dont opress them they will be even more opression by evil muslim factions, not that there isnt anybody being opressed.

Look, most people in the middle East and in Latinamerica dislike USA. Why would you think that happens ?

hint: its not your freedom.
05-03-2011 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Am I the only US citizen itt that thinks the basic values valenzuela expresses regarding democracy and rule of law are like pretty much right on the money?
You're not.
05-03-2011 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
lol, seriously? The neocon argument is that if you dont opress them they will be even more opression by evil muslim factions, not that there isnt anybody being opressed.
You did not answer the question. Who are we oppressing?
05-03-2011 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FleeingFish
Explain to me how a US soldier violating US law by providing sensitive national security documents to a non-cleared person is not a treasonous act.
LOL.
05-03-2011 , 01:15 PM
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You did not answer the question. Who are we oppressing?
as a start, venezuelans, some colombians and cubans.

Now answer my question, why do you think latinamericans and muslims dislike USA? Have a wild guess.
05-03-2011 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Am I the only US citizen itt that thinks the basic values valenzuela expresses regarding democracy and rule of law are like pretty much right on the money?
Perhaps, but he is missing the point ITT that Americans for the most part, despite our swollen pride, understand we are barbarians no more or less than the people of other countries. I think most of us are under no illusion in regards to many of our mistakes. That said it is quite odd that those who admit there own country's flaws get so butthurt because we make mistakes too. That is part of what this celebration is for the left here is closure of a decade which we made many mistakes collectively when being given tough choices on issues with poor information and varied interests.
05-03-2011 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Do you think north atlantic culture is superior to muslim culture?
This is kind of an ignorant question. Of course american think their culture is superior. Just like Arab, Jewish, Asian and other cultures feel the same about theirs.

It pitiful that people take offense at others who are proud of where they live and where they come from.

I love the US culture and am proud of it, think its the best diversified culture in the world. Does this mean I hate Muslim culture? Does this mean I hate Asian culture, of course not.

Americans do not get mad at Texan's when they brag about their state. Its their culture and they are proud of it.

So again it ignorant question. Because I think my culture is better does not make me a bad person or a bad country nor does it suggest I hate other cultures I just feel ours is better.
05-03-2011 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
as a start, venezuelans, some colombians and cubans.

Now answer my question, why do you think latinamericans and muslims dislike USA? Have a wild guess.
How are we oppressing Venezuela?
05-03-2011 , 01:26 PM
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that Americans for the most part, despite our swollen pride, understand we are barbarians no more or less than the people of other countries
lol, are you kidding me?? Most of americans work under the paradigm other countries suck, USA USA USA.

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That said it is quite odd that those who admit there own country's flaws get so butthurt because we make mistakes too.
I get angry at our mistakes too. I dont feel responsible for the actions my countrymen make, just because there are chilean rapists, doesnt mean I cant criticize american rapists or persian rapists or whatever.

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That is part of what this celebration is for the left here is closure of a decade which we made many mistakes collectively when being given tough choices on issues with poor information and varied interests.
I call bull****.

Last edited by valenzuela; 05-03-2011 at 01:32 PM.
05-03-2011 , 01:27 PM
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How are we oppressing Venezuela?
Actually you arent, you are buying lots of oil from them nowadays. But you did opress them when you supported a coup back in 2002.

      
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