-George Orwell

OK so your previous category of people who had actual suffering vs. descendants 150 years removed, that didn't matter?

What determines whether or not someone gets a check, DMW?

Dude literally changed the subject he was so happy to see an article about reparations, he REALLY REALLY wanted to talk about reparations as a policy instead of continuing to lose his argument about safe spaces on college campuses.

But after like one followup question, well, here we are. The best anti-reparations argument he can think of is to concede like the logical principles that underlie reparations(collective responsibility, current and past suffering due to race) but just say "**** them ******s lol we made them suffer and got away with it".

YOU introduced reparations into the safe space thread and then linked a story of a guy who sued in court and lost. It happens. How bout some 'reparations' for everyone? Send in the state police to protect those red zone areas of Chicago since Rahm Emmanual is incompetent at protecting the black population? Maybe it wouldn't be considered oppression to live in an American town.

You asked me for an example. I linked you a story that was such an example!
DMW rest assured of one thing: we understand you because you are simple and you are not unique. A ton of people had similarly deficient upbringings and nurse similar grudges.


White people not being allowed to say the n-word is a problem. The oppression of imaginary white supremacist professors is a problem. Gay marriage? A problem. People calling North Carolina mean names on the internet is a problem!

Redlining? Get over it, ******.

lol, at first I didn't catch that DWM meant "redlining" when he whined about "red zones."

Ugh, everyone remembers the uproar over the Trump chalkings that violated so many fragile butterflys' safety a few weeks ago....

This sillyness is just giving more and more fuel to Trump, and he will certainly use these events to energize his supporters. "The Chalkening" is only one of many ways he'll pick up free advertising and a few points here and there over the next six long months if this weak sauce doesn't stop.

From the link:
Such a predictable outcome of the abuse of safe spaces to stifle political speech. Looks like everyone is getting in on the fun:




Anyway, this guy from Deadspin has a pretty cool hot take on the subject, sparing no one.

The author is cynical about life in general, as is the way of many fresh grads these days, and he neglects to delve into the many criticisms of safe spaces coming from psychologists, from educators, and from non-partisan free speech advocates. He instead chooses to focus his advice to students on the dynamic between campus leftists and frat boy Trumpists. To that end, I think he pretty much hits the mark, and no doubt he'd like the microaggression-phobic divas to take a microbreak through this election cycle.

Yeah just remember that the chalk story turned out to be people protesting, which we've declared is a valid form of free speech. Once again we have lots of people freaking out over sensitive butterflies and demands for safe spaces and emergency sensitivity counseling when THAT DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN. We are all well aware that Trump is getting support for people triggered by the mere thought of a safe space, but the only reason the cycle continues is because people like you keep making up stories and linking to others who do the same thing.

Um lol at foldndark getting his knickers all twisted about this. Like "which students who demonstrated said they saw as part of wider, ongoing racial issues on the school’s Atlanta campus" is basically correct....like trump supporters on campus are pretty likely to virulently racist. Having a march against political candidates you oppose is just basic political protest stuff here, just lol at you making a big deal of it. And of course, undoubtably, in a political protest you can find somebody who says something that is kind of stupid. But it really begs the question why you are so damned obsessed about this one particular way college students might say something stupid.

FoldN- Who is the audience for you eagerly running to this thread every time you see an opinion column even remotely related to the issue of political correctness?

What point are you trying to support or contradict with those links?

Wait I just read that article. FoldN, uh, that guy is on our side! Damn man you still don't read your own links? It's bad enough that you're just doing some bizarre ad hominem argument by proxy thing in this thread, but you can't even find authorities that agree with you????

Yes, everyone has the right to protest. You and just about everyone left protesting my posts are making comments that have nothing to do with my positions. The students have the right to protest, and the purpose of such demonstrations is to attract attention. That's what they got, and why I'm here discussing it. If they were only protesting Trump and his terrible policy ideas, I would gladly support them. **** Trump! **** him with a stick.

But they were not just protesting against Trump, they were protesting to make their campus a safe, Trump chalk-free space. They were in the President's office demanding he prevent students from expressing their political opinions, asking the university to take a political stance (theirs) and stop people from showing support for political candidate (not theirs).

http://emorywheel.com/emory-students...ump-chalkings/

Fold, do you agree with this from your first article:

Institutional stifling of free speech sounds pretty bad. But what are we talking about, really. 40 kids on a college campus, some of whom demanded their president send out an email disavoving trump? Which he immediately rejected? Like come on. I don't agree with this demand, but let's keep it in perspective. Trump is the ****ing GOP nominee vs ome kids somewhere on a campus said something stupid.

Why on earth are you masterbating to these and going on 40 hour benders?

Clearly it's because you disagree with me. If there's one thing I can't stand more than Trump or the institutional stifling of free speech, it's when people disagree with me on the internet.

And now, the reason why Louis CK won't do college gigs.

Warning: hate speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NAUgCm-3Tc

Whose speech is being stifled? What institutions are responsible?

We're almost at 1800 posts and we have yet to move beyond "A lot of people think this is a problem, even seem famous people!"

Look dude, respectfully, there have been dozens of examples, articles, and criticisms posted in here, and very little in way of responses. Those few arguments that have surfaced mostly boil down to, "uh that's it?" and "so someone famous said something, so what?" Very unsatisfying. Just because few can be bothered to read and give interesting responses doesn't mean there isn't an abundance of good criticism of safe spaces... which is why so many have been convinced of the abuse of this form of PC, and why the extension of safe spaces into the classroom, campus and world at large is hopefully in decline.

There's plenty we could discuss in this article alone posted earlier:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/22...?_r=0&referer=

Somewhat convincing argument to me, what say you?

From the same article:

I'll let Daryl Hall from one of my favorite musical duos give his thoughts on musicians being accused of cultural appropriation, I hope his being famous doesn't detract from the argument:

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/12/dary...ive_ever_seen/

Hey FoldN, where do you draw the line, if anywhere? Should white supremacist propaganda be tolerated in college classrooms, for example?

Do you just feel colleges should warmly embrace all ideas, regardless of if they're hate speech or overtly bigoted in nature?

I don't know, dude. Have there been KKK rallies in classroom recently I've not yet heard about?

But where to draw the line. I'm not sure there's a simple answer. If you're equating microaggressions, cultural appropriation, etc., to overt white supremacy as some seem to be trying to do, then I think that falls pretty far short.

No one equates microaggressions with KKK propaganda, even if both fail a binary classification of "Is it racist?"

Well for some reason I've decided to spend way too much of my time reading this thread and the articles posted in it and the thing is you haven't made a good argument to support your initial hypothesis, which is that liberal safe-space culture on universities is preventing people with opposing views from speaking out and that this is somehow leading to moral decay or increased partisanship or some other ill of society. You've pretty convincingly showed that 1) there are students out there who are overly aggressive in demanding safe spaces and 2) there are a lot of people writing articles about the dangers of safe space culture.

What you haven't done is link those two with examples of how these safe spaces are actually leading to problems with real-world implications outside of a few speakers getting cancelled by student groups. The pattern is almost always the same: small group of students ask for protection from opposing ideals, another group gets super butthurt over this and mocks people for being overly sensitive and wanting safe spaces, and then we get another 10,000 word think piece about safe spaces which ignores that no speech-limiting, emergency-therapy safe space was ever put into being.

At this point; what do you expect from everyone? That article you quoted was fine but it didn't necessarily point out the dangers of safe-space culture, it just demonstrated (yet again) that there are people out there who don't want to hear both sides and are insensitive to the views of others.

I mean, probably not?

But maybe white supremacists would argue that's at least in part because these liberal safe spaces won't tolerate it. Maybe if we started having an open policy to what concepts and ideas could be deemed acceptable we'd see more 'stats' like this shared and respectfully discussed/promoted in classrooms.



Right now the fringe cases are what make the derposphere news stories...microaggressions, etc. Remove the ideology and intention of 'safe space' altogether from campuses and I'd argue overt bigotry of all forms would sprout like weeds.

So, again, what do your safe spaces look like? Any limits at all?

Should said classrooms read Malcolm X and Che Guevara?

But more to the point should there be safe places where white males insulated from liberals blaming them for their problems?

Managing to hold onto this air of victimhood while donald trump (essentially a walking talking white male safe space) is a nominee for president is pretty impressive. I'd imagine 80-90% of your life is spent in one while male safe space or another.

Generally it's not even about our problems. Liberals don't, for example, oppose racism because we suffer from racism. Even when we are the ones suffering our personal situation is not what our liberalism is about.

That's the strength of liberalism which non-liberals often seem to miss. Even when we fight and squabble among ourselves we still stand together when it comes to the real issues because the issues aren't about us.

sure you don't