The reason why this **** triggers reactionaries so hard, just like when Biden said the word "chains", when Beto gave that talk about police brutality at an African American church, or the Hillary accent thing, the reason he even remembers the Hillary story, is that these people fundamentally do not think black people should participate in politics.

Donald Trump literally hugs the flag before speeches and just gave a speech to the RJC where he repeatedly seemed to think all Jews were Israeli, but that's not the "pandering" that gets the Daily Wire contributor set all fired up.

When politicians try to get black votes, that's carpet bagging race treason(unless the politician is themselves black, then it's race pimping). This whole weird writing style, this thing where they seem to be making absolutely bizarre claims about how it's "cringey" to pander(pandering is literally politicians' job?) or "racist" to code-switch... it's because they know they can't just call her a ****** lover. That's the actual motivation here.

You guys can't see what you look like accusing me of being triggered while responding with a deluge of hostile, substance-free posts?

"There's nothin' WROUNG with working retail..." She's imitating MLK Jr.'s speech pattern. He was a Southern Baptist preacher. What accent do you guys think she was affecting? I don't expect an answer, because nearly all the responses from AOC acolytes in here are intellectually dishonest vitriol. But feel free to answer.

And I fully understand the concept of code-switching. But to call faking an accent during a political speech code-switching doesn't exonerate the person doing it. Hillary was code-switching when she did it; it was no less phony.

But my parents weren't and aren't rich. And I do understand code-switching. It seems that you are the one who is triggered. Maybe another victicratic screed where you decry everyone who doesn't agree with you as evil racists will make you feel better.

She and people here did answer you just dont like the answer.

See, here we have another example of a right winger who gets their theory challenged equating that to vitriolic attacks. This is a particularly bad example of it. There a a ton of posts that answered the exact issue he brought up, with nothing that can even be called vitriol if you squint super hard, and even discussion of the topic between other posters. Yet it’s not enough for this victim of the terrible left because we don’t agree with him.

My instinct is that you correctly suppose a lot of Ocasio-Cortez' popularity comes from her authenticity and ability to connect effectively with a great range of people. It follows that if one could undermine that authenticity or drive a wedge through that connection; say by implying she wasn't really from the Bronx, wasn't that poor, likes expensive dresses, puts on an accent or w/e then one could really damage her. For that reason I conclude that you don't really care about folk putting on an accent as much as you care that the person you think put on the accent was Ocasio-Cortez.

You might retort that we don't care simply because we like her and that we'd react differently if it was someone else. For myself I'd say that accusation was true - I don't really care if she was putting on an accent or not. I remain convinced that an Ocasio-Cortez with an accent speaks to, with and for her audience a hell of a lot more honestly and effectively than most folk do without.

That's the reason why none of this fluff really damages her in any way. The source of her authenticity isn't really her roots or what accent she allegedly uses - it's that she gives a **** and acts accordingly. That's a lot harder to undermine.

Just lol. As a woman from the bronx, who grew up with people from the bronx, in front of a crowd of black people from the bronx, I can sort of see you being all worried that she is inauthentically speaking like black people from the bronx. But no, no. You've decided she couldn't possibly be imitating them, she must be imitating MLK, and then oddly didn't mention that previously instead mentioned only the southern baptist preacher thing. Perhaps the issue is that you - not her, you - are the one with limited exposure to how black people speak and so deduced it must be one of the few you are actually familiar with, MLK?

The problem isn't the accent. Its the words. She would never say that to some future non disabled child of hers. She has previously spoken about the desirability of getting away from non fulfilling jobs. Her comment is particularly problematical because many black people are working such jobs not because they don't have the talent for better jobs but because they have been discriminated against in education and hiring. The fact is that exploitive employers want their employees to agree with the AOC statement.

Suppose you went to her rally and brought along your 15 year old child who you were trying to get to study harder. And AOC's words influences him or her not to.

I realize that she was just trying to make people not feel bad about there circumstances. But it would have been better if she said something like "you will have to endure working retail jobs a bit longer so your children won't."

I seem to remember hearing about the singer Kate Nash being accused of having a "mockney" accent.

A lot of people will think you're being fake liberal, but anyway, the difference between a liberal and a leftist. She's not just saying everyone has the potential to have value, she's saying everyone has value and that's what she means. And in general the perspective of your post is very much about money and not fulfillment or value to society or other people or creativity and intelligence required to do something.

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David,

I don't think you're racist, but this is racist.

Inspiring!

To me this always betrayed how the individualisic American Dream idea has a certain myopia about how the economy works.

The American Dream looks at retail work, washing dishes, mowing lawns and says " at least it won't be me!", but it's got to be someone. Someone has to do that work. And if someone does do that work then they deserve the dignity that a worker deserves.

Baby need his bankie?

Mother****er have you ever heard Martin Luther King speak? The man had a distinctive way of speaking! It was in a ****ing Super Bowl ad last year.

I was gonna clown on you for still holding a grudge over one anodyne and ultimately irrelevant Hillary speech but....

"Victicratic" is a ****ing deep cut. In case other people are unfamiliar, you might think that's some fancy word that Mr. Dictionary used and it means something like "angry", but nope, it's a pre-#tcot Larry Elder coinage for black people complaining about racism.*

*You noticed Spastic Q. Wordsalot here does not seem so offended by the pandering in Larry Elder's grift lol.

Suppose you brought your spouse in a wheelchair who was learning to walk again after suffering a spinal cord injury and AOC said, "We need to value people of all abilities," and your spouse decided to quit physio.

In that case you hope like hell that your spouse has one iota of common sense.

Then I missed it. What accent did she claim that she was affecting?

AOC acolytes get so wounded when their leader is criticized that they literally make things up about me to suit their narrative. FlyWf asserted yesterday that my parents were rich; we'd never even responded to one another's posts prior to that and he has no idea who I am. Now according to Johnny I'm a right winger because I pointed out that AOC faked an accent and handled the fallout badly.

Once again this thread proves itself to be full of the most intellectually dishonest posters on the whole site. I don't even dislike AOC; I'm just objective enough to point out when she does something that reflects badly on her.

kudos to the people trying with this guy. I wouldn't have the patience. some great posts have come out of it though

hahahahahahahahaha

The guy who wrote this post:

tries to come in like "how do you do, fellow kids liberals, oh yeah I don't dislike AOC at all, I am just an objective observer who is SO DISMAYED by her egregious behavior"

Overcrowded, plus I'm disappointed she didn't start from seeds, but still love anyone getting into the gardening game.

lol at being objective.

Oh I’m sorry. Let’s talk about what you like about AOC! I guess this is the first and only thing you have mentioned because you found the thread at the exact moment it happened. Much objective. Very believe.

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somigosaden,
I listened to it, and except for the "ain't" which did seem to clang slightly, I honestly didn't notice anything. But let's assume that I am too blinded by my fanboyness to notice it, and let's also assume that I am willing to accept your more objective analysis that she adopted an accent.

So what? Are you suggesting that I should care? Were the people there upset?

Please, what exactly is your point here? (Try to use words I'll understand, thanks).

Yes, mockney accents affected by posh people trying to be street are one example. Another is a strong Caribbean inflection in a non black speaker designed to do the same thing.

Neither are the same as what I've learned about code switching and are solely to do with what might be called cultural appropriation for the purpose of image enhancement.

In other words they're ****ing poseurs.