Nobody who supports Trump gives a **** about war crimes. Torture and our use of drones are war crimes that the majority of Americans, regardless of who they support, have no problems with despite the inefficiency in the former and the number of innocent casualties in the latter.

I think a lot of people underestimate how little some people know or care about policy or have paid attention to any of the speeches or quotes or tweets or debates, yet still have a candidate preference.

I'd start with "he's obviously racist why isn't that a problem for you"

But really I wouldn't start. Somebody who couldn't figure it out on their own is not somebody who I think is worth my time. The case against Trump is so obvious that I'd much rather walk away and laugh at how frustrated that person is going to be when he candidate gets crushed and he realizes that the world is moving on without him and his hate.

I haven't been able to follow every debate and speech as much as I would have liked. Can you point out some quotes and links that prove trump is racist and hateful.

I just said you weren't worth my time, so no.

Typical response when dealing with someone who is anti trump.

Shift, if Dids believed that you were asking because you were legitimately concerned enough about Trump's racism rather than being a pain in the ass and that he could change your view, he would.

But it's obvious that you're already a Trump supporter and thus it's a waste of time to point them out. Like most people in cults, you'll have to figure things out on your own.

I'm not a supporter of any candidate. But I see trump being called a racist 25 times a day and haven't seen any evidence of him being one. Just would like to see where it's coming from is all.

Have you heard of this awesome product called Google?

What you need to be asking yourself is why it's typical.

Right, so to deal with a trump supporter say "how can you support a racist". Then when the person says can you prove to me he's a racist. You say google bro.

Because the left hates trump, and the left gets really uncomfortable when they are directly challenged about anything.

OK. What about right-wingers who hate Trump? No shortage of them btw.

Answers like this are evasive. Google doesn't show Trump is a racist, it only shows that haters twist his words to get to a phony result that he is racist. No one actually shows him to be racist because the facts necessary to do so do not exist.

Posters in this thread are following standard practice of suggesting that we "just believe us when we say he is racist". Repeat a lie often enough and people think it is true.

Trump has lots of faults but being racist is not one of them.

If you can't see how stating that Mexico is sending us rapists, that Muslims should wear badges identifying their religion, and refusing to immediately condemn David Duke's approval are not indicative of racist beliefs, then there is no hope for you.

Clear as day that hornbug and Shifty are merely pushing the buttons of anti-Trump supporters by being so obtuse.

Thanks for submitting a good example of incomplete and misleading statements about several things. If you actually looked into these in detail you might catch how you have fallen into the trap of passing on misleading information.

You haven't made one point that isn't a vague assertion, nor tried to refute anyone else's points with actual logic or facts.

Saying some of them [Mexicans] are good people doesn't exempt him from making racist comments about Mexican immigrants. Disavowing David Duke only after deliberation and watching the negative media backlash doesn't make him tolerant. Claiming that putting badges on Muslims isn't the same as putting them on Jews on the Holocaust does not make his proposal not racist.

So I mean Trump's businesses have been accused of discriminatory practices:

Trump took out an ad calling for the reinstatement of the death penalty in the wake of the Central Park Five arrests. Can't find any record of his apologising or even expressing regret after their exoneration.

Trump also took out (anonymous) ads (same link) adverting to the purported criminality of Native Americans:

Trump led the charge in the movement calling Obama's legitimacy as POTUS into question. I mean you don't need a link for that. Claims about Obama's birthplace, possibly forged or illegitimate birth certificate, forged or illegitimate college transcripts etc.

Did Trump do all of that because he's clueless enough for it to have all been innocent, or did Trump do that because he's a racist? And I should note: I don't mean a cross-burning, send-them-back-to-Africa racist. I just mean the kind of racist who's generally more inclined to think the worst of black people than of white people.

And let's go one further: If we go with Option A, where Trump is just this Clouseauesque buffoon stumbling innocently from mistaken belief to discriminatory practice and back again... is that really any less reason to object to him as a candidate?

The people who make the claims that Trump is racist have the burden of providing complete and accurate details to back up their claims. With all the Trump haters in this thread, we still wait for just one of you to provide this. That's a fail for the Trump haters.

Adding additional misleading details does not make the original misleading details any less misleading.

Nah we just get uncomfortable talking to lunatics.

We have provided complete and accurate details, repeatedly. You just keep asserting they don't count while providing zero counter argument.


Eventually mods are going to assume you're just obtuse-trolling and send you off to the cornfield.

mother of god

Huh?

Anyway, no use addressing hornbug. When it comes to Trump, we cannot convince his current supporters. They are long gone under his personality cult.

Anti-Trump advocates have to convince the Cruz and Kasich supporters who may be compelled to support Trump if their favorite loses out to either vote Hillary or just to abstain from voting. That way, his base doesn't get large enough to win the election.