So you believe in the old South Africa system of justice where the accused must prove they are not guilty.


If you accuse Trump of being racist the burden of proof is on you. Deliberately misinterpreting statements is not proof.

I call on you to move away from the suzzer99/South Africa apartheid system of justice.

Make the thread then.

Might be crickets though. I hardly know any Hillary supporters.

If you GOPers could nominate a reasonable candidate you'd have a walk this year.

OK for you non-Hillary supporters - who takes the pledge not to vote for "super-predator" Hillary should she win the nomination?

Or are you going to vote for someone you believe is racist?

I didn't say she was racist. I don't judge her character necessarily by what she says. She's says whatever sells.

Pretty similar to Trump, who I'm not sure I've ever called a racist, but maybe.

He's campaigning on racism now though. It's a big part of his constituency and would affect how he governs.

If I vote "for" Hillary, it will just be because it's against Trump.

I'll probably be writing myself in for POTUS.

If your choice is between an opportunistic politician willing to appeal to racist sentiments in order to further their career and an opportunistic megalomaniac making appealing to racist sentiments the central plank of their platform, it's not like you flip a coin. You snap-call the former and you don't shrug cheerfully when someone tells you they're going with the latter; you ask them why they're voting for the racist lunatic.

So hornbug, bro, why are you voting for a racist lunatic?

Like the implicit idea seems to be that RACISM is this one-drop rule type **** where if Clinton crossed the street to avoid a black guy one time in 1968 then that's just the same thing as Trump calling Mexicans rapists and advocating torture and targeted extra-judicial killings of non-combatants. Game over, issue neutralised, moving on. I mean... LOL. No. That's not how it works.

And as if that's not enough, and being a buffoon weren't enough, he just knows so little about public policy.

But, somehow that's part of the attraction.

Anti-intellectualism is a big draw on the right. There is a deep deep hatred of knowledge.

"You think you're better than me!" Even imagining that makes people furious.

Except many of the variables most closely linked to Trump are pretty bad

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump.../15/id/719188/

If you're a racist, Christian, high school dropout who makes under 50K/year, lives in a mobile home and thinks that Obama wasn't born in the United States, you are more likely to be a Trump supporter.

Of course, Trump supporters might consider those good things. So who knows?

Feeling very validated by this events of this thread. These dues are either lying or too obtuse to ever have their mind changed.

A question for the Trump supporters:

How can you tell if someone is racist?

They come out and say "I am a racist". Otherwise there's just no way to know.

according to one poster, because they support hrc?

to that poster: proud hrc supporter IRL here. go ahead and mock me.

Its difficult to tell if a public figure, much less someone running for office is racist given the nature of the job. Someone running for office will say a ton of things they don't actually mean or that don't accurately convey their individual feelings and values unless their name is Bernie Sanders. All public figures are subject to increased scrutiny and having things taken out of context with the results being that the person they are portrayed as in the media are often not consistent with how the people that know them best would describe them, but this isn't applicable to TRUMP and is more applicable to people who are one time offenders put on blast by the media.

Is the stuff TRUMP says racist? Definitely.

Is TRUMP purposely saying things that he doesn't believe in order to gain political support? Almost certainly.

Are TRUMP's racist remarks things he actually believes in or things he says for political gain? A little less clear, but likely a lot of both.

Are TRUMP's racist remarks and the support they generate a sad commentary on how prevalent and accepted racism is in our country? Absolutely.

Is TRUMP a racist? I'd say probably, but its not unambiguous imo.

you really wanna go down the "TRUMP has been taken out of context" road?

Pretty sure a previously banned version of hornbug went to his 2p2 grave insisting Fox News is indeed fair and balanced

The leftist position on immigration is if anyone wants to come into the country they will be taken care of with social services and health care and eventual amnesty. Anyone who tries to stop them or anyone who wants to deport them is racist and xenophobic. That has been their argument for years.

If Trump is so bad why do you have to make up stuff about Muslims wearing badges and equate "Trump is not trust-able" as an endorsement? There must be real arguments you can make.

This is really, really ****ing stupid.

It's not hard at all.

Racists (as we see time and time again) are idiots and thus tend to be pretty bad at hiding their racism. The only ambiguity is when some ****heel apologist likes yourself attempts to concoct some bull**** reasoning chain to offer some alternative explanation for the obviously racist thing the person just said.

For example:

You say racist ****, you're racist. Even if you are lying, you're still reaching that level and that still means that decent thinking people should find you disgusting.

I wonder how you make it through the day Dids without having an aneurysm.

I think he smokes weed.

The Clinton Crime Bill wasn't totally racist. One of the provisions in that bill was authorizing the DoJ "Pattern and Practice" investigations of police departments which have become the go to tool for rooting out racism in police departments.

sometimes people say things they don't mean because it helps them either get a job or do their job well. This might surprise you, but its a fact of life. I'm sure you've failed to express your views on something fully and accurately during an interview or professional talks in your life and I am guilty of withholding or saying things that aren't exact representations of my beliefs in these spots as well.

What about someone trying to get a job in a movie who is given a script to read? If they read a line calling someone something horrible does it mean they mean it and everyone should find them disgusting? I don't think so.

Running for President is a long job interview where the hiring decision falls to the public.

A lot of weed. Lots.

None of the bull**** CDL just posed is anything resembling a response to what I said. It's just more blather about how I guess we can't know Trump is racist because maybe he only wants to seem racist and what, that makes it better? By every outward indication he's a racist, why the living **** do you want to give that guy the benefit of the doubt? (don't answer, we know).

You said "You say racist ****, you're racist." This is not true. A perfect counterexample being that surely not every actor or actress who has uttered a racist line in a movie or reading of a script is a racist.

The other counterpoint is that most people who interview for jobs say what they think will get them the job. TRUMP is saying what he thinks will win him the election and so is Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, and almost every other candidate ever to make a serious bid for office. The one exception I can think of in all of history might be Bernie Sanders as I am not clear that he believes his message is optimal for getting elected.

edit: dids, don't you watch wrestling? Don't they say things that you find offensive from time to time? If so then why do you still support that? Probably because you can look past the words and know they do it for a specific reason.

Right but the pro-Trump people ITT are basically arguing against your first statement (that he's saying racist stuff), so any deeper discussion about what it means is a non-starter. Like I have no clue what Trump actually thinks (have heard a personal account of him making racist jokes around people he was working with for the first time but that's not unusual for 60+ year old white men) but acting like he's not riling up people with racial anxiety is either disingenuous or ignorance.