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06-25-2018 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
can someone please explain to me this trump bot business in this thread?

Why are Trump's tweets from a bot?
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
Dom, did you really just get ponied by the gimmick account that is based on your slow pony, or is this a level?
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Originally Posted by Dominic
lol I didn't see that.

I ponied myself.


Years from now, I will tell my great-grandchildren about The Great Ponying of 2018.



Also known in some circles as The Inponyception.
06-25-2018 , 05:02 PM


Score another one for the New Yorker
06-25-2018 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dlk9s
Years from now, I will tell my great-grandchildren about The Great Ponying of 2018.



Also known in some circles as The Inponyception.
Between that and the Spencer getting clocked in the ****ing face gif, this has been a more joyous than average page in the thread for me.
06-25-2018 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
"Trump's hostility toward liberals could galvanize the liberal base" #UnwrittenEditorials
I really think this what the majority of backlash from the right against the baby prison camps has been about. Gotta wait until the time is ripe.
06-25-2018 , 05:10 PM
"And I can't wait to vote for him again in 2020" (probably)

06-25-2018 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Almost as if they are anti-facist rather than stone killers wanting to bash up any and everyone.
We had literally thousands of posts from the usual crowd in p7 at the time of how dangerous a slippery slope it was.
06-25-2018 , 05:18 PM
Devout white ex-Atlanta Braves baseball star with a surprising take.

https://dalemurphy.com/why-america-is-so-divided/

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While I think there are many factors at play, one stands out in particular: There is a profound lack of empathy in our country, and this was never more apparent, at least to me, until our current administration instituted a zero-tolerance immigration policy that separated families at the southern border.

“The dilemma is that if you’re weak, if you’re weak, which some people would like you to be, if you’re really, really pathetically weak, the country’s going to be overrun with millions of people,” President Donald Trump said. “And if you’re strong, then you don’t have any heart. That’s a tough dilemma. Perhaps I would rather be strong, but that’s a tough dilemma.”

Somehow, being “weak” meant doing nothing, while being “strong” meant separating families. I couldn’t disagree more. Part of the reason we’re so divided is that so many people view things through an all-or-nothing lens. You either think this or you think that. You’re either with us or against us. There’s no middle ground.

That mindset is not healthy for our democracy.
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To be clear, I am not advocating for open borders. I understand that there have to be laws. I also understand that not everyone attempting to enter this country is doing so in good faith or with the best interests of their loved ones at heart. Instead, they are entering for nefarious reasons. Drugs are being smuggled. Children are being trafficked. I am not oblivious to these realities.

But those people are the minority. Call me naive, but I believe that the vast majority of people seeking entry into this country are doing so because they are desperate for a better life.

No, America cannot solve everyone’s problem, but we can do a better job of assisting those who seek our help. Instead of spending tens of billions of dollars on a wall – which might not even be effective – what if we spent some of that money on more lawyers, judges, and courtrooms to hear immigration cases? What if we spent it on better immigration facilities? Or more resources for law enforcement to create better accountability and oversight at the border?

Wouldn’t that be better than a wall? Or separating families?

Some folks, I’m sure, will tell me this is all above my pay grade, that I should avoid politics and just stick to baseball. But that’s just it. To me, this is not a political post; it’s a moral one. It’s not about which side of the aisle you’re on. It’s about deciding between right and wrong. It’s about being a good person. There has to a better, more civil, more humane way to curb illegal immigration. There has to be a more responsible approach than separating families.

If you find yourself not having empathy for these people, if you find yourself not caring for them, I would invite you to pause and reflect. You can support tough immigration policies while still acknowledging someone’s humanity.

Open your mind. Open your heart. Read. Listen. Understand.

There are people in this world willing to put their children in a raft and venture across the open ocean without food or water or guarantee of survival. There are people willing to wade across the Rio Grande with a 3-year-old strapped to their back, knowing full well that, if caught, they could face severe consequences and be separated from their child.

These people think those options are better than remaining where they were born.

Can you say the same about living in America? Probably not.

I don’t know what the right immigration policy is. I just know that zero tolerance is the wrong one.
06-25-2018 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I’m having a meltdown? Ok.

What am I afraid of exactly?

You really are one of the absolute worst example of the left. You are a trumpkin in every way except you accidentally voted democrat.
Imagine having parents rich enough that you think the bad parts and in fact the majority of the definition of being a "trumpkin" is using foul language.

Must be nice.

And that's why you're afraid. You're afraid of me, *****.

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Originally Posted by Clovis8
We are all racist. Mountains of social science research demonstrates this conclusively.

Harris is left on nearly every topic. He is clearly not a racist. He simply thinks that the conservative and islamistist branch of Islam is a serious threat to humanity and far worse than other religious doctrines. To this I agree.

His beef is with the ideas. Not the people. They are very bad ideas. Among the worst ever devised.
Also, imagine listening to Harris' podcast and thinking it's the fairly passe and boring Islamaphobia(I mean, ****ing Gorka and **** lap him in that sphere, he's not even the JV team anymore) and not the endorsement of race science and "Intellectual Dark Web" **** that gets him called racist. Because Clovis here also believes in race science!
06-25-2018 , 05:25 PM
I will say that while Mormons may hold plenty of backward regressive views - they are approximately infinitely likely to be more sincere in their faith than Evangelicals.
06-25-2018 , 05:28 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...60410648416258
06-25-2018 , 05:33 PM
EU: we're going to slap tarriffs on your deplorable annoying motorcycles

trump: no you won't! that won't happen!

EU: wow that's a really good point i guess we'll reverse it because of that amazing dealmaking logic
06-25-2018 , 05:35 PM
Harley announced they're moving production to europe b/c of the tariffs.

Losing your job to pwn the libs.
06-25-2018 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


Score another one for the New Yorker
I like this article, but I disagree with it in that this:

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And, to end the normal discourse of democracy, the Trump Administration must make lies respectable—lying not tactically but all the time about everything, in a way that does not just degrade but destroys exactly the common table of democratic debate.
Did not start with Trump. It is nearly as applicable to the Republican Party as a whole for the past couple decades, at least, as it is to the Trump administration. Sure, Trump lies more frequently, but I’d argue that it’s not his lies about random crowd sizes or who was cheering for him that threaten democratic debate, but it’s his lies about policy that provide cover for raping and pillaging of public institutions or in humane treatment of people or erosion of voting rights that are what really matter. And those are the same lies that the Republican Party has been pushing for decades. Mitch McConnell is arguably more complicit than Donald Trump, then, and just as worth of public shaming.
06-25-2018 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by superleeds
And he certainly never applied this cleanliness obsession to the poker chips at the Taj.
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
I feel like this poll question was another one nobody asked when Obama was around.
06-25-2018 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I will say that while Mormons may hold plenty of backward regressive views - they are approximately infinitely likely to be more sincere in their faith than Evangelicals.
Murphy's also from Oregon. It's hard to remove that pesky stain of humanity that comes with that.

Somewhat related: Feds had to sneak into the Portland ICE center last night at 3:30am to "secure government property." Sounds like they snuck by the tents people were sleeping in. Now they're posting notices about how it's unlawful what the protesters doing. POR mayor's FU:

Last week, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler lambasted ICE in a series of tweets and announced he will not have city police break up the protest at the federal agency's Southwest Portland field office. A spokeswoman on Monday said Wheeler's stance hadn't changed and that Portland police won't be responding.
06-25-2018 , 05:49 PM
Someone please make a bot that monitors this thread for trump tweets and responds with “**** you” every time. Tytyglhf
06-25-2018 , 05:49 PM
I love the Trump bot butting in with his random nonsense. Dude would totally be banned if it was just some random poster.
06-25-2018 , 05:56 PM
point:
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/s...15324032110598

counterpoint:
https://twitter.com/splinter_news/st...75226867478528
The people who start the wars do not have bombs dropped on their houses. The people who pass the laws that incarcerate others never have to face the full force of the prison system themselves. The people who design the economic system that inflicts poverty on millions are themselves rich. This sort of insulation from the real world consequences of political and economic decisions makes it very easy for powerful people to approve of things happening to the rest of us that they would never, ever tolerate themselves. No health insurance CEO would watch his child die due to their inability to afford quality health care. No chickenhawk Congressman will be commanding a tank battle in Iran. No opportunistic race-baiting politician will be shunned because of their skin color.

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Politics is real. This is what is on one side of our current disagreement: death, and human rights, and freedom, and equality. And this is what is on the other side: wanting to eat at a nice restaurant without having anyone remind you that you are ruining people’s lives. The sides of this scale are not even close to balancing yet.

This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times. The harm that is being done to all of us by the people in the American government is extreme. To imagine that Mexican immigrants should happily cook for and serve meals to people who enable a man who is determined to demonize and persecute them as subhuman criminals is far more outrageous than the idea that those enablers should not be served in restaurants.

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The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant. When you aggressively **** with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to **** with yours.
06-25-2018 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Imagine having parents rich enough that you think the bad parts and in fact the majority of the definition of being a "trumpkin" is using foul language.

Must be nice.

And that's why you're afraid. You're afraid of me, *****.



Also, imagine listening to Harris' podcast and thinking it's the fairly passe and boring Islamaphobia(I mean, ****ing Gorka and **** lap him in that sphere, he's not even the JV team anymore) and not the endorsement of race science and "Intellectual Dark Web" **** that gets him called racist. Because Clovis here also believes in race science!

Imagine being so stupid and blinded by partisan hate that you literally don't differentiate a member of the KKK from someone like Harris.

You are what is wrong with America. Your brand of stupidity and fact-free attack is simply accidently targeted at the right. Not because you ever put a second of thought into your positions but because I'm guessing you inherited them from your parents. You are left the same way catholic child is born catholic.

I have no idea what you think you mean by me "believing in race science" but given that it comes from you I can assume it is completely moronic and devoid of a shred of any good faith attempt at understanding anything about my actual position or really how the world works.

P.S. My parents were middle class thier entire lives not that it has anything to do with this debate.

Last edited by Clovis8; 06-25-2018 at 06:20 PM.
06-25-2018 , 06:14 PM
The funniest part is that those Harley jobs presumably come from Wisconsin, which is sort of an important state for Trump in 2020.
06-25-2018 , 06:15 PM
For the record I am all for shaming some Trump staff and supporters. I do, however, think there is a hierarchy of response along the lines of;

Trump, and members of his staff and cabinet, are open season for any amount of humiliation and riducule that can be targeted at them. Ban them from every restaurant or store on earth!

Open public supporters of Trump, like Hannity, should be given a chance to speak in public forums but should experience significant pushback in the media and by other public figure.

Sitting republicans should be opposed in every way politically possible but there should be a line drawn in terms of civil discourse. We have to set some sort of standards. See rule one for the worst of Republicans like Nunes.

Within the context of academic discussions open debate should always be the standard no matter how repugnant the ideas. Lies and bad ideas are fought with truth and good ideas.

Trump voters and the average trumpkin should not be subject to the same shame and ridicule as staff or cabinet members UNLESS they are being openly racist, sexiest ect. We should not use the single fact of having voted for trump as morally equivalent to being on his staff or in his cabinet.

This needs to be better thought out but I think we want to resist the urge to lump all trumpkins together, not that I'm not guilty of this often!
06-25-2018 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
EU: we're going to slap tarriffs on your deplorable annoying motorcycles

trump: no you won't! that won't happen!

EU: wow that's a really good point i guess we'll reverse it because of that amazing dealmaking logic
I'm pretty sure Trump held a campaign rally at Harley headquarters loooooolll
06-25-2018 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Trump voters and the average trumpkin should not be subject to the same shame and ridicule as staff or cabinet members UNLESS they are being openly racist, sexiest ect. We should not use the single fact of having voted for trump as morally equivalent to being on his staff or in his cabinet.

This needs to be better thought out but I think we want to resist the urge to lump all trumpkins together, not that I'm not guilty of this often!
counterpoint:
https://twitter.com/DeplorableChoir/...13212733726720
06-25-2018 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
For the record I am all for shaming some Trump staff and supporters. I do, however, think there is a hierarchy of response along the lines of;

Trump, and members of his staff and cabinet, are open season for any amount of humiliation and riducule that can be targeted at them. Ban them from every restaurant or store on earth!

Open public supporters of Trump, like Hannity, should be given a chance to speak in public forums but should experience significant pushback in the media and by other public figure.

Sitting republicans should be opposed in every way politically possible but there should be a line drawn in terms of civil discourse. We have to set some sort of standards. See rule one for the worst of Republicans like Nunes.

Within the context of academic discussions open debate should always be the standard no matter how repugnant the ideas. Lies and bad ideas are fought with truth and good ideas.

Trump voters and the average trumpkin should not be subject to the same shame and ridicule as staff or cabinet members UNLESS they are being openly racist, sexiest ect. We should not use the single fact of having voted for trump as morally equivalent to being on his staff or in his cabinet.

This needs to be better thought out but I think we want to resist the urge to lump all trumpkins together, not that I'm not guilty of this often!
Sounds on the right lines

Also targeting of businesses.
06-25-2018 , 06:24 PM
Damn, Trump throwing shade on Harley feels like we're entering uncharted territory. Harley owners (and employees) must break 90/10 or 95/5 for Trump.

      
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