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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-08-2018 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
They can scam Trump and get him to agree to something hard for the next administration to undo. They still know Trump is desperate for any deal
Kim may demand benefits be delivered up front. Like we deliver a shipment of Trump steaks before he reveals the location of an enrichment facility or something.
05-08-2018 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
well that’s just the price we gotta pay to make obama look bad
I can't help but think that if Obama had just admitted Trump nailed him with the long form BC play instead of continuing the charade, we'd be going through Hilary's impeachment right now instead of this ****.

Thanks.
05-08-2018 , 02:12 PM
Trump late to his own announcement that we're withdrawing from the Iran deal.
05-08-2018 , 02:15 PM
Iran is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism, is a kleptocracy and murders service members? Wow that's a ton of bull****.

Oh Christ this speech is unbelievable.
05-08-2018 , 02:17 PM
How much longer must we endure this moron. Sniff. Seriously.
05-08-2018 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I may be stupidly optimistic, but I think this is less than 50%. I'd go with air strikes only by the UK/UK/FR or Israel as more likely, but even that is not a lock.

The enemy is necessary just for the sake of military spending and arms sales.

Does SA really benefit from Iran falling completely apart? Some air strikes and continued proxy war in Syria and Iraq is more like it. This could turn into 50k troops back in Iraq pretty easily.
I have a hard time seeing anyone “helping” us, even France and England. I think pulling out of the Iran deal puts the United States at odds with pretty much the entire world. It strengthens and emboldens enemies and pushes away allies.

The Iraq war was a huge cluster. This is going to be much worse for the United States and the world. Iran backed by Russia and North Korea backed by China will definitely tell us to go **** ourselves and nobody else is going to want to get into that mess. We have already created the framework for our allies to depend much less on us for all sorts of things.

I was fascinated by World War II as a kid. Especially the German side. Never did I ever imagine I would know what it really is like for something like the Third Reich to happen from the inside. The brakes have been cut. There is not even an Italy or Japan. Just stupid ass America going to insist on destroying everything.

Trump loves the military and loves Generals. He will have regular war rallies and give the military unmitigated control. In fact it will be one of the first times the military will likely be trying to slow down the president. As noted both sides of the aisle will ultimately support any sort of war because 80% of most of their jobs are based around military spending.

This is different then the xenophobia and isolationism we went through in the early 20th century. We still had some relationships. That Syria bombing raid is going to be the last thing anyone assists us with for a long time. Europe has certainly been realizing they have to be making their own plans for the last 16 months.

We can’t threaten the whole world with economic sanctions, social sanctions and military sanctions. It is pure insanity and can not work on any level.

We have put ourselves in the worst possible negotiating position for pretty much everything. We have given everyone the upper hand in every single area.
05-08-2018 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
How much longer must we endure this moron. Sniff. Seriously.
If we go to war with Iran? 6.5 more years.
05-08-2018 , 02:19 PM
He likes to say 'regime'. He also pauses after each time for what I can only assume is an inner monologue in which he congratulated himself on the pronunciation.
05-08-2018 , 02:20 PM
Jesus ****ing Christ what an idiot.
05-08-2018 , 02:21 PM
I'm listening to this with headphones on and the sniffing is killingggg me
05-08-2018 , 02:22 PM
WHY THE **** WOULD NORTH KOREA AGREE TO ANYTHING GIVEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW ABOUT IRAN
05-08-2018 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Iran is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism, is a kleptocracy and murders service members? Wow that's a ton of bull****.

Oh Christ this speech is unbelievable.
I mean it's kind of true, but it's arguably true of Saudi Arabia, our ally, but with Iran being more democratic.
05-08-2018 , 02:25 PM
Thanks Obama
05-08-2018 , 02:25 PM
Things are about to get really bad. Like not our country and president are a joke bad but historically bad. It is hard to see how it doesn't.

The mouthbreather 40% of the country who hate browns will love this. This military industrial complex will love this. A big chunk of the rest of us will forget how bad this is by the time they figure out how to drum up support for a conflict that will kill probably millions. Thanks awval.

We also have a complete braindead moron running the show (sKlanksy's genius hero) so what could go wrong.
05-08-2018 , 02:26 PM
Putin blackmail conspiracy theorists: why does Putin want Trump to pull out of the Iran deal, which Putin supports and helped negotiate? What's Putin's play here?
05-08-2018 , 02:27 PM
Back in the day, Presidents would do addresses like this at a desk with only the TV technicians and maybe an aide or two around him. So strange that Trump puts himself in a room full of reporters to do this.
05-08-2018 , 02:28 PM


well that didn't take long
05-08-2018 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
why does Putin want Trump to pull out of the Iran deal, which Putin supports and helped negotiate? What's Putin's play here?
It diminishes the United States' place in the world, it drives a wedge between the US and western Europe, it creates a vacuum into which Russia and China can step, and it creates opportunities for Russia to trade with Iran when the US sanctions go back on.
05-08-2018 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Don't know where else to put this but WTF

Connecticut’s legislature has passed a bill that would give the state’s Electoral College votes to the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote nationally.

I mean


Wut
Calm yourself. These laws only go into effect when states with >270 EVs sign equivalent laws. Then they all go into effect at once and EC is gone.
05-08-2018 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Putin blackmail conspiracy theorists: why does Putin want Trump to pull out of the Iran deal, which Putin supports and helped negotiate? What's Putin's play here?
Let's try thinking one step ahead. What do you think Putin's actual goals are? Once you figure that out you will have your answer.

ETA-Ponied.
05-08-2018 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I mean it's not true, but it's arguably true of Saudi Arabia, our ally, but with Iran being more democratic.
FYP

We turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia who is infinitely worse when it comes to sponsoring terror and has a far worse human rights record while simultaneously fabricating complete bull**** about Iran. I mean where did most of the 9/11 hijackers come from?

It's really bothersome that something like 45% of Americans support Trump. It's gone up ever since people stopped talking about issues that affect American's lives like health care cuts and tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the middle class and droned on about Stormy Daniels.

Reality is that nobody really gives a **** about Trump ****ing a porn star. If anything, men are probably more likely to be jealous of him rather than angry over that.
05-08-2018 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Putin blackmail conspiracy theorists: why does Putin want Trump to pull out of the Iran deal, which Putin supports and helped negotiate? What's Putin's play here?
wrecks US credibility and our position of global leadership
05-08-2018 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
It diminishes the United States' place in the world, it drives a wedge between the US and western Europe, it creates a vacuum into which Russia and China can step, and it creates opportunities for Russia to trade with Iran when the US sanctions go back on.
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
Let's try thinking one step ahead. What do you think Putin's actual goals are? Once you figure that out you will have your answer.

ETA-Ponied.
seems convoluted, but OK. But I guess the silver lining of Putin blackmailing Trump is that Putin won't let Trump start a war against Iran, a Russia ally. So that's actually quite encouraging.

Although I'm a bit confused as to why Putin had Trump appoint Russia and Iran hawks like Bolton and Pompeo in the first place.
05-08-2018 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
Kim may demand benefits be delivered up front. Like we deliver a shipment of Trump steaks before he reveals the location of an enrichment facility or something.


Iran got front loaded benefits too!
05-08-2018 , 02:37 PM
I have traveled abroad extensively in Europe, SE Asia, etc the last few years and every time i get back I wonder why the **** I live here. It is filled with morons who love Carl's Jr., Applebees, Bud Light, etc. And guess what every ****ing highway exit has the same 12 restaurants and 8 motels. Every city has the same chain stores owned by the elites to make the moron class feel like something good/new is happening while it is recycled bull**** with a different sign. People love it even though it is total low quality garbage. There is very little redeeming about this country. We got what we deserved in Donald Trump. There has probably never been a more representative president of the morons who live here than him.

Yes I am pissed off and jealous of those of you who have escaped.

      
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