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02-11-2017 , 04:36 PM

#8026

57 On Red

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Come to think of it, Mel Brooks is to receive a lifetime-achievement BAFTA in London tomorrow. He's very pleased. It puts him up there with, say, Chaplin.

Having seen much in a long life, he tells the Guardian, 'Donald Trump doesn't scare me. He's a song-and-dance man.'

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...-and-dance-man

Still, there's song-and-dance, and there's... song-and-dance.

02-11-2017 , 04:49 PM

#8027

All-In Flynn

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02-11-2017 , 04:52 PM

#8028

Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Rand Paul: Liberals made me vote to confirm Sessions

LOL Paul family stans

To be fair, this is classic 21st century democratic politics: argue race/gender/class and other positions that have no chance of persuading any even mildly openminded republican, instead of trying to find common ground without compromising their principles.

02-11-2017 , 05:05 PM

#8029

Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DVaut1

Obviously, though, right? One of the benefits of being rich is that you have way better risk mitigation strategies than a regular bozo. Rich people can gamble a lot more on politics just like they can in casinos. Lots of rich people are sharp enough to understand that the downside risks of Trump were way larger than an average politician but went to bat for him because they calculated they can fade a lot of the terribleness, including some really bad case scenarios.

All along during the Trump era, going back to the campaign, I think there's been this quiet, unspoken assumption there is some shadowy band of elites or just the effects of some questionable set of incentives that will force people to confront and ultimately defeat Trump. I understand the psychological need for that; it would be comforting if it were true. But it's not.

Here's the thing: there were plenty of wealthy elites who voted for or explicitly supported Trump but understood the risks as normal people describe them. They are just calculating they can still come out of it OK.

I feel like I had this conversation with bobman recently, who was expressing some disappointment with the mainstream GOPers for not subverting Trump. I was *sort of* giving him one half of a lecture for being naive and one half of a lecture for the despicable nature of anyone who tolerated the last 40 years of the elite + extreme right-winger media/thought bubble nexus. People say the left looks down on the angry white tribalists and surely they do, but the right has been ****ing taunting them. They've been training them like dog fighters condition Mastiffs. They've been making ever increasing promises drifting ever more from reality with escalating preposterous rhetoric about scape-goats and fostering their fear and paranoia -- all in the service of less taxes and less regulation. This whole insanity has been transparently been building and the GOP, companies and interests allied with their outcomes have been engaged in it for decades now.

And the responsible parties knew what they were doing and kept on taunting the dogs and giving them scraps and giving it bait animals to work with.

And when **** hits the fan and the dogs go berserk in the pit and start attacking everyone, the trainers and the owners and the bookies are going to be the first ones out of the arena. No question. Don't expect any less. They won't be the vanguard defense corps of the dog fighting game to settle things down and get the dogs back on their leashes. Come now. Anyone who is sleeping better because they know elites seem a little disengaged and careless now but once their profits are threatened or we veer away from stability, they'll set things right THEN -- won't happen. This is why you don't cynically cultivate anger and fear and paranoia in people and we all should have done more to raise the alarm, because the people doing it had absolutely no mitigation strategies or plans to clean things up if they went south. Well, they did, but their back-up plans were for them, not you. Twas ever thus.

Conventional wisdom before the election was that Hillary would garner a larger than average share of country club republicans because they had more to lose and less incentive to want to upset the apple Carr.

Trump was thought to have cornered the "ain't got nothing, got nothing to lose" market.

The bottom line is conservative leaning people of all economic stripes wanted an alpha non-female. Every other risk calculus was insider wishcasting trying to ascribe thoughtful motives to thoughtless people.

02-11-2017 , 05:56 PM

#8030

bigt2k4

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

Hitler was on meth around the clock.

I think Hitler was very hard working until the doctors started giving him meth and he became an addict with a ruined brain, but I could be wrong

02-11-2017 , 06:01 PM

#8031

bigt2k4

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uDevil

OMG, refugees are fleeing dangerous countries!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...rica-migration

Refugees fleeing the US risking their lives in -20 weather.
It seems as though this isn't news in the US, but it is worldwide. Does anyone know about this in the US?

02-11-2017 , 06:05 PM

#8032

Riverman

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Yes. Some of us listen to NPR.

02-11-2017 , 06:21 PM

#8033

bigt2k4

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

Yes. Some of us listen to NPR.

I haven't seen any coverage of it on CNN here in Canada

02-11-2017 , 06:21 PM

#8034

Paul D

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Hitler was a hard worker?

The guy was an artist before he started to hang around beer halls.

02-11-2017 , 06:22 PM

#8035

Riverman

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Oh it is absolutely not covered by the USA#1 mainstream media. FAKE NEWS

02-11-2017 , 06:24 PM

#8036

bigt2k4

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

Hitler was a hard worker?

The guy was an artist before he started to hang around beer halls.

It's pretty hard to become a dictator while avoiding hundreds of assassination attempts on your rise to power, which is why I think he might have had some things going for him.

02-11-2017 , 06:44 PM

#8037

SuperUberBob

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Hitler wrote a book while Trump hasn't read one in his entire life. There is no comparison wrt laziness.

02-11-2017 , 07:12 PM

#8038

ChrisV

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

But lol yeah the list of American Trump supporters keeps on shrinking. Broadway is from Down Under somewhere(from my research into the native market for that phone), ToothSayer and LordJvK and mondidig seem to be English, Marn is Swedish.

Really inspiring how many of these guys want to Make America Great Again

If true that Broadway is Aussie, Queensland -1000

02-11-2017 , 07:38 PM

#8039

Trolly McTrollson

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I still don't get what's with all the Scandinavian alt-right gamergate dickheads who roll in here. Seems like it's a super liberal group of nations but all their representatives on 2p2 are shut-in NeoNazi dingbats for reasonsn I dont understand.

TS claims to be an American living in France but he's been caught flat-out lying about himself so who knows.

02-11-2017 , 07:53 PM

#8040

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Hitler wrote a book while Trump hasn't read one in his entire life. There is no comparison wrt laziness.

Has not Trump written several books:

Spoiler:

02-11-2017 , 07:55 PM

#8041

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Dont know how else to say this, but he has displayed ignorances about Europe that only a Yanklandian would have.

In BFI I had to call him out for claiming USA was more socialist than Germany.

02-11-2017 , 08:00 PM

#8042

bobman0330

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

Hitler was a hard worker?

The guy was an artist before he started to hang around beer halls.

He micromanaged a lot of the Wehrmacht's operations. He was mostly terrible at it, but it must have been a ton of work.

02-11-2017 , 08:00 PM

#8043

AllTheCheese

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

It's gotta be the online poker filter. Skews toward auto-didact, shut-in types. I bet there's a high correlation between regular play of online poker and regular use of the phrase "sheeple." The liberalness of those countries is maybe why they're Neo-Nazis - cuz they're "free thinkers."

02-11-2017 , 08:18 PM

#8044

jalfrezi

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Yep, and the reason they can't get girlfriends or jobs is because the immigrants are taking them all, not because they have repulsive characteristics.

02-11-2017 , 08:30 PM

#8045

markksman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Heroball

Wat no lol huh whaaaa

02-11-2017 , 08:34 PM

#8046

crimedopay420

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Yeah and it's infuriating because these mother****ers can make a decent living getting stoned and drunk while playing cards in their underwear, but somehow they still feel like they can't catch a break in life.

02-11-2017 , 08:34 PM

#8047

aoFrantic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

These are people who started at 4chan/reddit/other sites then played a little poker so they frequent here as well. ATC is right that poker has a lot to do with it, but they're just young shut in males.

02-11-2017 , 08:57 PM

#8048

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Dont know how else to say this, but he has displayed ignorances about Europe that only a Yanklandian would have.

In BFI I had to call him out for claiming USA was more socialist than Germany.

Thinking USA#1 is more socialist than commie Euroland isn't a standard American take, but who knows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aoFrantic

But what is it specifically about Scandinavia? Peeps who come to 2p2 politics from Germany, France, and the UK seem mostly normal. Maybe they're more shut in because it's too cold to play outside, who knows.

02-11-2017 , 09:10 PM

#8049

suzzer99

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Yeah the people this drivel speaks to have got to be in nearly congruent sets with shut-ins, gamergaters and Pepe fans.

I'm glad this woman-hating support group **** wasn't around in my angsty late-teens to mid 20s while I struggled mightily to just get laid and watched the same bad-boy dbags rake in all the women. I don't think I would have succumbed to it. But I can see how some might.

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02-11-2017 , 09:15 PM

#8050

aoFrantic

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It would definitely take some actual research to know for sure, but I wouldn't doubt that both the weather and "success" of women in those countries lead to a disproportionate amount of people joining movements like gamergate and the alt right. It's not the super successful people spending dozens of hours a week doxxing females. We know the type.

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